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06-03-2025 | 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by AutoBrksMedium

What would you rather have? 11% now or maybe 12% after four more years of bloody battle? This fantasy of an industry standard contract seems completely unattainable.

While that may sound logical, you never ever take the first offer. That’s not how contract negotiations work. This is the very first attempt at a “serious” offer the company had made. They always start low and we always start high, and hopefully we end up at aplace where most of us are happy.
By the way, I haven’t read the company’s negotiations update. I highly recommend not to read their updates. Their coms are designed to be union busters. Divide and conquer, blame the union, pit pilot against pilot. Like your union or not, if you want the best possible outcome, let them speak for you. Ignore the company’s propaganda.

06-03-2025 | 05:12 AM

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Call for a status meeting!

06-03-2025 | 05:20 AM

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Call for a status meeting!

They have already told us the NC and MEC are meeting on Wednesday and then they’ll communicate with the pilot group.

06-03-2025 | 06:30 AM

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I keep telling ya, contract 2030. Although I might have to revise to contract 2033. Their offer is the equivalent of "is this still available" on Facebook marketplace. All their offer does is show the arbitrator that they are doing something. This buys the company time with the arbitrator so they can continue to drag their feet.
Granted we haven't seen their offer but an 11% raise and a reduction in min guarantee is actually a pay cut.

06-03-2025 | 06:56 AM

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I’ve been ready to strike for a looooong time

06-03-2025 | 07:08 AM

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apology for my ignorance but what else needs to happen for a strike to happen legally?

06-03-2025 | 07:33 AM

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apology for my ignorance but what else needs to happen for a strike to happen legally?

95% what needs to happen is time. We must be patient and let the process work itself out.

06-03-2025 | 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Nemack

apology for my ignorance but what else needs to happen for a strike to happen legally?

status check from NMB.
declared an impasse by NMB and approval to strike.
cooling off period of I believe 30 days? During that time they encourage the company and union negotiators to meet prior to the actual strike date.
then you can strike.

please correct me if I missed anything.

we aren’t allowed to legally strike. That’s why the company drags their feet.

06-03-2025 | 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by VisionWings

Pretty much it. NMB needs to say "this is making no progress" but they will never say that.

06-03-2025 | 07:51 AM

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Granted we haven't seen their offer but an 11% raise and a reduction in min guarantee is actually a pay cut.

Especially if you are overstaffed. Also it might be fine some months, but in slow months they just drop guarantee and short everyone on pay, negating any pay raises. How much is your top rate now and what % increase to get to industry standard?