I haven't been on this site regularly for years, but the same clowns like Tillerenvy and Sticky are still here, wasting there days off, trying to convince people of F9's demise. Why? Do you not have a meaningful existence outside work?

 

It was because SUX4U seemed unhappy with the impact of the Lynx pilots on his seniority.

The equivalent for you would be if you were 420 on the list previously, and had the 846 pilots placed ahead of you, except it wouldn't be the same because those 846 would have come from a position that paid 30-50% less than you were paid.

Someone with that level of "dues paying" would be the rarity here. Most had 1000+ hours of PIC. I had pilots placed ahead of me on the IMSL that wouldn't have even qualified for the interview when I applied a decade ago.

 

I agree sempergumbi. There are the few junior mints at RAH that are holding out hope that they get to cash in their arbitrated lottery ticket. The fact of the matter is that they will never have the opportunity to fly for Frontier. F9 will be either sold, IPO'd, merged, or wound-down in the next 12 months with zero chance of the IMSL being put into effective use. The IMSL is worthless. The 7 year fence is worthless. Thank your IBT. To all the RAH pilots: If you want to fly an Airbus put your resumes in to an Airbus operator and do well on your interview if called. Its the only way you will ever fly one.

 

Probably the most accurate statement regarding Frontier. RAH will continue to be successful at what they do, and Frontier will either sink, swim or merge with another airline. Ironically, the Local 357 and a handful of the RAH pilots are already arguing that THEY will go with Frontier when it separates according to the IMSL . I find this interpretation very creative, especially when you consider;

1. The Airbus is fenced until August 2018
2. The IMSL is not currently being used to fill vacancies at RAH (If it was, you would be filling new hire class with furloughed pilots from the IMSL)
3. The IMSL is not currently being used to fill vacancies at F9 (If it was, we would have filled the new Domicile bid via IMSL seniority. It was filled via F9 DOH seniority per the Eischen Quattro Dispute Resolution).

Apparently, according to the IBT, the IMSL is not in effect today and it will not be in effect tomorrow but it somehow immediately becomes controlling once a sale of F9 occurs. Riiiiiiiiggggghhtt.

In the grand scheme of things, the fine gents at RAH will be better off when F9 is long gone. Virtually every legacy carrier has relaxed scope restrictions and there will be significant opportunities in the 70-90 seat regional feed department. Hopefully your Negotiating Committee is focusing their negotiating capital on these seats and not the 50 seaters as you will eventually see less and less 50 seaters and more and more 70+ seaters.

 

+1 Winner of the day!

 

The IMSl is being used to fill vacancies at RAH. Plenty of Midwest guys have been coming in at street captain positions based on their integrated seniority. It is even in effect at the F9 side. Those 8 Midwest guys over there are bidding with their integrated seniority or has that changed?

 

Not true. They were 8 guys hired before IMSL implamentation and are only using IMSL for monthly bidding and vacation puroses as clarified by the arbitrator. They can NOT use IMSL for any other bidding purpose (ie domicile, upgrade, transition, etc...). Incidently, 25% of the Midwest guys washed out already so now they're down to 6.

 

Well it partially being used.

I know that RAH hired/recalled all of the Midwest pilots who wanted a spot on an E-Jet. I am not sure if those who didn't take the job are on the list anymore, and in my opinion they shouldn't be. The 8 (now 6) Midwest guys at Frontier bid for their schedules based on their IMSL seniority, but are at the bottom of the Frontier seniority list and bid according to that when it comes to vacancies.

RAH has been hiring off the street to fill vacancies from First officers and has also been filling captain vacancies. There was never any avenue for F9 pilots to bid on any First officer vacancies, or E190/ Q400 captain slots. I suspect if F9 needs to fill First Officer vacancies, then they would do so in the form of new-hires off the street as well. Yes there is a list (IMSL), but there is no contract that says how you can move from one to the other. I doubt you will see any new positions open up though in the near future. We will likely be separated or liquidated before that time comes.

 

You say you "lost" 846 spots. If there were a system re-bid for all types under the RAH holdings umbrella, what position would you hold, and how would it compare to the position you are in now? If the most senior airbus captain retired (creating a vacancy), how would that affect you (would you move up, down, or stay the same)? IF RAH/F9 never bought or sold another airplane till the day you retire, which seat would you be sitting in and what seniority would you have?

Compare that to the F9 pilot that lost 846 spots.

 

Losing seniority numbers suck, take it from us, here at Delta. At the end of the day, you are going to have to suck it up. Life or mergers are not fair. The sooner you can move on (very hard to do) the better your life will be.

BTW, in the Delta and NWA merger, guys lost anywhere from 400-2000 numbers.

TEN