Pacifier...

 

Great Lakes does.

 

Far more people feel like you do on the line than what you read on APC.

 

I'm confused. Why are we a failed group? Is it because we're exercising patience and allowing the process to work? Or is it because some choose to wear hats?

It seems like achieving the sweet spot in contract negotiations is a delicate matter, and we're dealing with the toughest in the business. Too aggressive and we overshoot our ability to look like the reasonable of the two parties. (which from what I understand is important when it comes to mediation, and future self help) ... Undershoot and we get a TA not worth having, but out of frustration has a high probability of being passed because the group just can't stomach current book any longer.

Either of these eventualities is a failure of sorts. The only win is right on the money (pardon the pun.)

In all honesty I am very concerned about an underwhelming TA, but at this point the only thing I can do is exercise a degree of trust and just keep communicating and participating as much as I can through valid channels.

It's all difficult and we're right in the thick of it now; and for this reason it's too early and overly dramatic to call us a failed group.

 

Underwhelming TA.........
My first vote will be no regardless...
I would go on strike yesterday....

 

Well you can't go on strike yesterday, because you've not crossed the T's and dotted the I's yet. That's my point. But yeah, of course 'underwhelming' = no vote... I agree.

 

Same ol discussions...

OK, for anyone who doesn't work at F9 but is reading - this place is not great. The work rules on the contract are decent in some areas and horrible in others. My previous regional had better rules overall. But, as mentioned so many times previously, the pay is better so that's why I'm here. I knew what the pay was when I applied, interviewed, showed up for training and today. That pay scale hasn't changed - silly for me really to complain about it. Fortunately, there are actions taking place to increase that pay. I understand why the company is stalling so while it is frustrating, I at least know that there IS a process that has worked in the past w/ this specific owner. It is because we are in the midst of negotiations that this place is not great. Morale is low, customer service is dismal and anytime that it snows, the operation is essentially a failure. Even on great weather days, the operation is rarely smooth and I'll be the first to admit that it is difficult being a part of something that is this disorganized. So, I am prepared to strike as I'm all but sure it will take that to get anything close to improvement as well as expecting whatever is offered will not be industry leading nor will it be everything I want.

So, if you're at a regional or corporate or separated/retired military and you want to better your pay, then come. The interview process really isn't too difficult and it seems like once you've met the minimums, a small investment in OBAP or WAI or FAPA will get your resume' looked at. Like just about every other airline, 97% of the aircrew and gate agents here are great, friendly and have a can do attitude. And, like me, you need to be looking to make the jump to something better (not sure about the legality of the training contract).

For those who DO work at F9 - I don't have to tell you to get ready. Stop whining, do your job while on the line and get ready. Make sure you don't do anything stupid while flying - just fly the way you would if you were being paid whatever you think is fair. The same way that we all know why the company is stalling is the same way they know we're willing to do our jobs and that's it. Since it may take a while before we are released (and you're junior enough), continue to try and get to someone where 2nd year FO pay is better than 5th year CA pay here. All the while, save up about a month's worth of salary and put in savings. Tell yourself that, when the time comes, you will need to walk a picket line, maybe even in the coldest of winter times.

Overall, in about 6 years (give or take 2 years), I fully expect this will be a decent place to work. New planes, decent pay, decent contract and decent route struture. I can live w/ that.

 

Had a recruiter call me the other day just as I was starting engines. He promised to call back the following day and never did. Perhaps, some one knows who I can contact to get back in touch with recruiting?
Thanks in advance.

 

Seriously... wearing a hat implies you are proud to work at Frontier? Maybe he is bald, bad hair day, short and it makes him look taller? Who really cares. The fact you have issues with it tells me everything.

I have worked for several companies that had a lower public approval than Frontier and at the end of the day, it's just a job. Just do it and go home.

Dracir1 was spot on. I have been here less than 2 years and agree this place has issues, but if you didn't know what you were getting into it is your own fault.

 

You're right, details are important. Our contract is amendable 3/17. We opened early in 3/16, and contracts NEVER expire under the RLA....they become amendable.