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08-08-2012, 04:00 PM
#2291
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Originally Posted by Senior Skipper
These guys aren't tools, but just a pet peeve of mine...
Since we're talking about heading bugs, why do some people insist on leaving the bug 1 or 2 degrees off the assigned heading? It's just as easy to fly 040 as it is to fly 041...
Since we're talking about heading bugs, why do some people insist on leaving the bug 1 or 2 degrees off the assigned heading? It's just as easy to fly 040 as it is to fly 041...
P.s. For that matter, let's apply this logic to the airspeed and altitude bugs too! What fun it could be to see how far off we can get!
08-08-2012, 04:11 PM
#2292
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I think I read this somewhere on this site, but it's worth repeating. Harken back to the "old" days of ded-rekoning and celestial nav.
On a long haul flight, Navigator requests Captain come left 1 degree to maintain proper course. Captain berates navigator, "damn it man, there's no way one degree is going to make a difference - you can't be that accurate, only give me turns of more than 3 degrees". Navigator sheepishly replies, Yes Sir.
10 minutes later navigator requests captain turn left 8 degrees. Captain replies - Now that's more like it!
10 minutes later navigator requests Captain come right 7 degrees.
On a long haul flight, Navigator requests Captain come left 1 degree to maintain proper course. Captain berates navigator, "damn it man, there's no way one degree is going to make a difference - you can't be that accurate, only give me turns of more than 3 degrees". Navigator sheepishly replies, Yes Sir.
10 minutes later navigator requests captain turn left 8 degrees. Captain replies - Now that's more like it!
10 minutes later navigator requests Captain come right 7 degrees.
08-08-2012, 04:21 PM
#2294
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Originally Posted by sandlapper223
It's called attention to detail. It is something important in our line of work, it is what is expected of us and what their future employers seek of their potential candidates.
P.s. For that matter, let's apply this logic to the airspeed and altitude bugs too! What fun it could be to see how far off we can get!
P.s. For that matter, let's apply this logic to the airspeed and altitude bugs too! What fun it could be to see how far off we can get!
08-08-2012, 04:50 PM
#2295
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Originally Posted by cornbeef007
And what good is being within one or two degrees? People that are worried about these little things miss the big picture. Typically people that are highly anal retentive exhibit undesirable CRM attributes.
08-08-2012, 05:09 PM
#2296
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Originally Posted by sandlapper223
Then what is so hard about setting the assigned heading on the "digital heading select knob" to match? It seems to me more work to set an incorrect heading than the one assigned. But maybe that's me. And don't confuse CRM and cockpit "ambiance" with professionalism. You can be professional and precise without being a dick.
You are paid to b perfect on every flight. Reality is, you will fall short. But if you strive for perfection you will perform at a higher level. Train as you fight, fight as you train.
08-08-2012, 06:24 PM
#2298
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Originally Posted by sandlapper223
Then what is so hard about setting the assigned heading on the "digital heading select knob" to match? It seems to me more work to set an incorrect heading than the one assigned. But maybe that's me. And don't confuse CRM and cockpit "ambiance" with professionalism. You can be professional and precise without being a dick.
You can be a professional and not have the heading bug glued to the exact heading all of the time during cruise. One does not have to be anal to be "precise".
08-08-2012, 06:45 PM
#2300
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Originally Posted by DeadHead
A lot of over thinking going on.
Very similar to the "long sleeve shirt" or the "I'm standard" arguments in internet forum land.
It more shows who the judgmental tools are that categorize people by a small indicator.
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