Originally Posted by todd1200

Right now that would trigger EPS, but once all of Section 25 is active, that changes, and this scenario could likely become more common.

Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18

You haven’t had it happen because they aren’t allowed to do it, pre CBA and post.


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Originally Posted by TristarJS30

This is exactly my concern. Found the clause in the cba I had been looking for... basically says unless flight cancels they can't add more flying that results in EPS.



I have been emergency assigned "EMA" at the end of a reserve pairing in the past and I can imagine that continuing to happen, though.

Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18

Remember only 2 EMA’s a year. Keep track and tell the to GFT.


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Originally Posted by Flyby1206

^^^^this

We haven’t taken an E190 delivery in 6 years but the movement on the list is still rapid

Originally Posted by TristarJS30

I keep a list in my phone and already had my two by the end of January.



I will admit to doing 2 more since then that were really easy and financially beneficial but I think I'm also up to 4 or 5 "no thanks" since hitting my 2.

Originally Posted by jamesholzhauer

The last year (since NY/BOS bus captain has become so senior) has all been post AIP bids with a significant change in the dynamic...namely work rules (ADG making formerly bad 10-11 hour 3 days go away making junior bus trips more palatable) and the 90% pay differential going away. Obviously there’s been a flood of senior NY/BOS 190 guys switching over (along with super senior 5 sandwich FOs finally upgrading) temporarily making the seniority required to get bus captain higher than historical numbers in those 2 bases. There have also been relatively few 320 CA vacancies in these bases over the last year, making it even worse.

If JB is really hiring 450 this year and 500 next year, that’s gotta equal about 400 bus captain vacancies over 2019/2020 (and we haven’t seen much yet for this year), most of which will be in JFK/BOS/FLL. I think the senior 190 churn will finish in the next year or so and the numbers will go back down to a more normalized level. That said, my estimate was 3-5 more years for a guy hired 3 years ago, so 6-8 total, which isn’t that far off your 8-10 year estimate. All depends on how much hiring ends up happening and how much of it goes to BOS...but since JG said BOS will be as big as JFK, I imagine BOS will get a decent amount of that.

If there are 36 A220s and 73 A321NEOs added between now and end of 2023, that is 850 or so CA vacancies that will have to be filled, most of which will be BOS/FLL since JFK is maxed out with slots. Of course that’s assuming all those deliveries happen. And sure some of the 190 CA slots will go away so it isn’t all “new” CA slots, but with the $10 pay differential between the 320 and 220, again I don’t think such a wide gap will remain, in theory lowering the relative 320 CA seniority due to a more equalized seniority distribution compared to what we see today with the 190 shift. At least that’s my prediction.

Originally Posted by Bluedriver

Only thing I would add is take the 36 A220s out of your maff. Those are replacement aircraft, not growth aircraft.

Originally Posted by jamesholzhauer

Sorry my post was long so could have been missed in the words, but I addressed that piece (at least my theory on it). I’ll try to re-explain. With such a small pay difference between the 220 and 320, the seniority gap will come down, thereby bringing the 320 lower (on a relative scale) compared to the current 190/320 pay/seniority disparity, which has raised the seniority required to hold bus ever since the AIP. So, correct, replacement upgrades, but the seniority distribution will be a lot more equal between the 320/220. More senior guys (across the spectrum) will go to the 220 than go to the 190 (on a relative basis), the effect of which will be lower 320 plug seniority (again on a relative and percentage basis) and higher 220 plug seniority (than 190 plug). Put another way, lots of people won’t do 190 CA (who then take up bus CA slots), but who will do 220 CA. Not sure if I adequately explained the theory, or how accurate it will be. Guess we will see in August 2022 if a current 3 year guy can hold BOS bus CA to determine the theory’s validity (assuming current delivery schedule holds).