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Old 06-07-2019 | 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
I was talking about your last paragraph. You said with the 36 A220s and 73 A321s JB would need 850 captains. I'm just saying the A220 deliveries won't require more captains, other than the possibility of red-eye flying and a bit of training float through the transition.
No, I said CA vacancies, not CAs. There’s a difference. And there’s a difference in who would bid to fill those 220 CA vacancies vice who would fill 190 CA vacancies, which is the overall thesis to my position that 320 CA will stabilize more junior than it is now with more total CA vacancies that include a higher paying airplane (the 220) than 190 CA.
Old 06-07-2019 | 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by jamesholzhauer
No, I said CA vacancies, not CAs. There’s a difference. And there’s a difference in who would bid to fill those 220 CA vacancies vice who would fill 190 CA vacancies, which is the overall thesis to my position that 320 CA will stabilize more junior than it is now with more total CA vacancies that include a higher paying airplane (the 220) than 190 CA.
And with respect to the A220 vacancies, there will be a corresponding number of reduced captain positions on the E190. So no net gain.

But yes, I agree the A320 will ultimately go less senior than now (percentage wise) and the A220 will be more senior than the E190.
Old 06-07-2019 | 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
And with respect to the A220 vacancies, there will be a corresponding number of reduced captain positions on the E190. So no net gain.

But yes, I agree the A320 will ultimately go less senior than now (percentage wise) and the A220 will be more senior than the E190.
There will be net increase in captain positions associated with the A220 until 2026 when (in theory) the E190 goes away completely. Just the mere fact that there are 3 Fleet types will drive a net increase in the number of captains. Each new base and new fleet type increases inefficiency, and thus a net increase in crews required. A sub-base for the LR will also contribute to a net increase.
Old 06-08-2019 | 04:54 AM
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Originally Posted by ProPilotBlue
There will be net increase in captain positions associated with the A220 until 2026 when (in theory) the E190 goes away completely. Just the mere fact that there are 3 Fleet types will drive a net increase in the number of captains. Each new base and new fleet type increases inefficiency, and thus a net increase in crews required. A sub-base for the LR will also contribute to a net increase.
Yes, to a certain extent, which is exactly what I said in my post before the one you quoted. I called it "training float" as guys are being paid to bounce between aircraft training back and forth creates inefficiency. But yes, I agree with you.

As for a small sub-base for the LR, that is a terrible idea. They better train all of Boston and NYC. What happens when a super special trans-atlantic LR pilot calls in sick? What happens when 2-3 of them call in sick? IROP? When all the usual RSA/VDA superheroes can't help because they aren't qualified?

At a BARE MINIMUM, they better train all of Boston A320.
Old 06-08-2019 | 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
As for a small sub-base for the LR, that is a terrible idea. They better train all of Boston and NYC. What happens when a super special trans-atlantic LR pilot calls in sick? What happens when 2-3 of them call in sick? IROP? When all the usual RSA/VDA superheroes can't help because they aren't qualified?

At a BARE MINIMUM, they better train all of Boston A320.
The Europe flying will be a separate group (JFK/BOS), the FAA won’t sign off on anything else. That’s what the big wigs were saying last month in recurrent. They also mentioned about *possibly expanding the “below red line” flying into MCO.
Old 06-08-2019 | 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by capt707
The Europe flying will be a separate group (JFK/BOS), the FAA won’t sign off on anything else. That’s what the big wigs were saying last month in recurrent. They also mentioned about *possibly expanding the “below red line” flying into MCO.
The FAA won't sign off on training an entire base to do international flying in a specific region? Wow, somebody better tell the FLL pilots they are violating the FAA protocols! Sarcasm intended, and not at you.

Secondly, that is exactly the opposite strategy JB has chosen for FLL red-line flying. Sounds like someone isn't telling the truth and is trying to save the training costs associated with training all of BOS and/or NYC.
Old 06-08-2019 | 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
The FAA won't sign off on training an entire base to do international flying in a specific region? Wow, somebody better tell the FLL pilots they are violating the FAA protocols! Sarcasm intended, and not at you.

Secondly, that is exactly the opposite strategy JB has chosen for FLL red-line flying. Sounds like someone isn't telling the truth and is trying to save the training costs associated with training all of BOS and/or NYC.
It’ll represent such a small amount of our flying that I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s just small group of pilots from JFK and BOS. Training all the FLL for red line flying is one thing but BOS and JFK are much bigger bases.
Old 06-08-2019 | 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by rvr1800
It’ll represent such a small amount of our flying that I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s just small group of pilots from JFK and BOS. Training all the FLL for red line flying is one thing but BOS and JFK are much bigger bases.
True initially of course. It's gonna be an eff-show if they don't way overstaff it and qualify all of the reserves for all of the reasons I previously stated.

That's why I also think it would be smart to at least qualify all of BOS (only because BOS is smaller than NYC and it's a short DH to NYC if an emer crew is needed).

Just my opinion of course.

But the line that "the FAA won't sign off on training an entire base" sounds quite, um, creative.
Old 06-08-2019 | 05:53 AM
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I’m completely ok with having a subset group just for the fact that they will have to hire and upgrade more because of it. It’s almost a new type of plane in a way.
Old 06-08-2019 | 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by hilltopflyer
I’m completely ok with having a subset group just for the fact that they will have to hire and upgrade more because of it. It’s almost a new type of plane in a way.

Plus I’m assuming this subset group will mostly be senior folk who want to tell their friends and family that they fly over the pond. So it should help the seniority of people who are junior in the other normal domiciles.
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