You are disappointing me. You are giving up the fight, before JCBA negotiations even start. All of our peer set, all of them, have viable and rewarding PS plans. WE hold the keys to the single operating certificate. Why on earth would we agree to a JCBA that excludes one of the compensation pillars ALL of our peer set airline peers have? Sorry, not sorry. Climb aboard.

 

“We were going for PS, but the company just isn’t willing to include it.” Sounds more like “We asked, they said no.” Now b6alpa is asking for your vote. Let them return to the company and say “We asked, the pilots said no.”

 

And what do you think the company will do?

 

Continue to hemorrhage pilots, and they can’t get much lower than 1500 hours to replace them, ie where they are right now. So, they don’t really have that option at this point.

 

So, if the TA fails you think the company will just give us profit sharing and that will solve our pilot hiring/retention problem? How long do you think it will take to get PS?

 

Nothing is “given”. You have to be willing to fight. I don’t know about you, but “I’d rather die on my feet than live on my knees.” Enough is enough. They either make us equal to our peers or operate with the consequences. I understand that door swings both ways, I’m willing to live with the consequences of my vote and wait for something industry leading. B6 ALPA s double speak, unwillingness to continue to fight for stated goals and all around attitude is horrible. It’s not my job to worry if they can staff the airline, fill classes or retain people. What was that quote? “They pay market rate for Aircraft, MX and fuel. It’s time they pay market rate for pilots.” Something like that. Point is PS is the market rate. It literally in every peer set contract. #FixtheformulaFixtheproblem

 

Depends on the stance/strength of the union leaders, the education of the pilot group, and the will of both sides to take it through summer. One side typically capitulates a lot easier than the other (see this TA for a recent example), so discussing impossible hypotheticals is moot. Until B6ALPA and its pilots take a stand (which to this day, they haven’t), no…they won’t just give PS back. But if B6ALPA decided to grow a set tomorrow, come out and say no—this isn’t enough and PS is a line in the sand—and sold that as hard as they sell their TAs, then yeah, I think PS is attainable. It wouldn’t be easy, probably not quick, but probably achievable within a year if the proper levers were pulled and leverage used (labor dispute, pickets, strike vote, etc). The current union doesn’t seem to recognize leverage or like to pull levers though. Especially under Chris Kenney.

 

no the raise which we would vote down would help the pile or lack there of (of) resumes.

 

This is exactly the way. We need more of this. I don’t care what the short term costs may be, they amount of PS money that has been hemorrhaged already dwarfs whatever we might give up in the short term.

 

Couple of issues. First one being everything our MEC does is voted in unanimously; it's always 12-0 with little to no opposition from any other LEC members. I can honestly say that I do not understand how they can make profit sharing one of the "pillars" for this extension and then just walk away from it with we asked they said no. Personally I'd rather have 1.5 sellback and 12hrs PTO a month back but that's just me. It's always something with our MEC, how CK has a bigger picture and the rest of us are misinformed fools and none of us can see what's really happening. Vote accordingly, but at this point I'm definitely okay with a complete overhaul of our MEC and preparing for the inevitable JCBA.