Originally Posted by Forgotmywallet

It was almost as if the sell job implied the NC knew the company was going to violate the contract no matter what. Is that too tin foil hat?

Originally Posted by Bluedriver

This is one very humble dudes opinion:

The company has spent months and millions planning the NEA. They want it, they want it bad, they want it NOW.

The LOA that allows them to do it within pilots scope clause just failed. The company can't say "hey we know this failed, but we need/want this really bad, we hear you, you want profit sharing (and protections) so let's work this out". They can't say that, puts the leverage in the pilots hands.

Instead they are announcing the launch of the NEA to the world, because they want it bad, and they want it now. Their message to the pilots is "we're doing it anyway", not because they think they will win the arbitration, because I think they know they won't, but this way they can launch the NEA now like they want and this buys them 60 days to work out a mutual agreement with the pilots. However, right now we are in the Ford and Harrison "expectations lowering" phase. For the next 1-3 weeks the company will just say "sorry, not sorry" to get pilots used to the idea that they have lost and the company is just going to do it anyway.

At some point in the coming weeks the company will re-engage with ALPA to try and find a mutually agreeable agreement. In my opinion, they can NOT run out the 60 day clock and get a ruling in the pilots favor, as it would put all the cards in the pilots hands.

If the union quickly moves forward with a survey, I believe it is because the company has told them behind the scenes that talks will start again.

I believe the FC-FC and FC-International scope is clear and explicit, and I don't think the company expects to win. They are posturing and managing expectations.

That is my opinion. We will know within the next few months, or less, if I'm right.

Originally Posted by ClncClarence

I mean they were pretty explicit during the last couple pocket sessions - both pilot only and company wide - that they were going to forge ahead anyways. They didn’t even try to hide it.

Originally Posted by Atl320

It may be in our best interest to run the clock out for them. They made their bed, now they get to lie in it. An internally negotiated deal still lets them look like they won. The whole thing stays quiet. At this point, they need to be penalized. Get the cease and desists, then they can come talk to us.

Originally Posted by Bluedriver

See my post before yours. They had a plan for if it failed, they play chess, pilots usually play checkers, or patty-cake.

Originally Posted by ClncClarence

Yeah I completely agree with you. I responded to forgotmywallet before I was able to read your post.

Originally Posted by Bluedriver

Ha, it happens. If somehow scope arbitrations are taking 8 months that would change my timeline, but I'm not sure the process is allowed to take longer than 60 days. We're all along for the ride.

Originally Posted by Atl320

It may be in our best interest to run the clock out for them. They made their bed, now they get to lie in it. An internally negotiated deal still lets them look like they won. The whole thing stays quiet. At this point, they need to be penalized. Get the cease and desists, then they can come talk to us.

Originally Posted by Roy Biggins

And like you said before, what do we have to lose. 2% raise next May? I could care less about that ‘raise’.

Originally Posted by Roy Biggins

And like you said before, what do we have to lose. 2% raise next May? I could care less about that ‘raise’.