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Old 06-27-2018 | 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot
Yes but we have to grow by 3% ASM as well as the block hour per hour. The limitations work in conjunction.
Ref: TA 2018
Section 1 F
Paragraph 2 a. b.
We may have pax on a Horizon Q, but they will have pax on us as well for example.
Did you read that section? Because you are quoting it wrong. First it’s not 3% asm growth you are referring to. It’s block hours. ASMs are used to establish the relative size of the partner company in that section. ASMs are also referenced in 1F3 regarding amendments to existing codeshares. Second, it’s 1% per year block hour growth required...the 3% is only required for the establishment of/maintaining a new code share measured from comparison to base month.


1F2: For a “new partner”: 3% growth from the base year the codeshare was established. Once we are at that 3% threshold (theoretically in the first year from base-comparison year for it to be authorized in the first place), it’s 1% per year block hour growth required. That’s not that much.

1F3: To renew or amend an existing codeshare: 1 block hour and 1 pilot have to be added in the previous 12 months.


And as for the comment about them having pax on us as well...that’s fine, but I’d rather have their pax on us without a codeshare by us growing organically into their market.
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Old 06-27-2018 | 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by hilltopflyer
Think we have to grow to renew as well FYI.
Codeshare agreements are not one year at a time. They are long term agreements.

So, this year, which is a multi-year low growth rate for BJ of about 6%, they sign a 7 year extensive codeshare agreement with Alaska.

Next year the board decides margin expansion is the airlines priority and they no longer need to grow out West, because we are selling tickets to connect onto Alaska's West coast network. So they defer half our aircraft deliveries for the next 5 years and cut our ASM or block hour growth to 2.5%.

What happens to the 7 year extensive Alaska codeshare agreement? Nothing.

It doesn't need to be renewed, amended or entered into.

Same goes for Moxy and Hawaiian and JetSuiteX and and and.
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Old 06-27-2018 | 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by BeatNavy
Did you read that section? Because you are quoting it wrong. First it’s not 3% asm growth you are referring to. It’s block hours. ASMs are used to establish the relative size of the partner company in that section. ASMs are also referenced in 1F3 regarding amendments to existing codeshares. Second, it’s 1% per year block hour growth required after the first year...the 3% is only required for the establishment of a new code share.


1F2: For a “new partner”: 3% growth from the base year the codeshare was established. Once we are at that 3% threshold (theoretically in the first year from base-comparison year for it to be authorized in the first place), it’s 1% per year block hour growth required. That’s not that much.

1F3: To renew or amend an existing codeshare: 1 block hour and 1 pilot have to be added in the previous 12 months.


And as for the comment about them having pax on us as well...that’s fine, but I’d rather have their pax on us without a codeshare by us growing organically into their market.
Fair enough you don’t like the numbers/ what would change your mind or make you feel more secure?
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Old 06-27-2018 | 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot
Fair enough you don’t like the numbers/ what would change your mind or make you feel more secure?
No codeshares for any route we can fly with our existing equipment. Limitations/time limits/ends to codeshares on routes for which we gain aircraft capable of flying those routes.
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Old 06-27-2018 | 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by BeatNavy
No codeshares for any route we can fly with our existing equipment. Limitations/time limits/ends to codeshares on routes for which we gain aircraft capable of flying those routes.
Did you expect something that restrictive?
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Old 06-27-2018 | 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot
Did you expect something that restrictive?
Yeah absolutely. If SWA can operate with no codeshares, why can’t we? No reason we need to codeshare domestically, or on any routes we are capable of flying ourselves for that matter. Do we codeshare with Alaska or anyone else domestically now besides cape? Why would we allow it to start? Here’s a good article with the SWA codeshare perspective. Intl or other routes we can’t fly (HNL) is one thing. Routes we can do now? No reason to allow it.
https://www.bizjournals.com/chicago/...share-and.html
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Old 06-28-2018 | 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot
Fair enough you don’t like the numbers/ what would change your mind or make you feel more secure?

Are you feeling more secure after you block people who disagree with your discount/low-rent/defeated/apologist mentality?



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Old 06-28-2018 | 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by BeatNavy
No codeshares for any route we can fly with our existing equipment. Limitations/time limits/ends to codeshares on routes for which we gain aircraft capable of flying those routes.

Bozo doesn't care what you say of substance. He is simply a pacification agent to add noise for others to read. He wants status quo or less and to make others think like him. If he can't win you over with his false ideas, he will simply ignore you. If we accept a sub-standard contract, he wins.



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Old 06-28-2018 | 11:09 AM
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Hey B6 management! Keep disrespecting us, paying us less, and lying to us! Its working out beautifully!

https://thepointsguy.com/guide/best-...airlines-2018/
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Old 06-28-2018 | 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by PasserOGas
Hey B6 management! Keep disrespecting us, paying us less, and lying to us! Its working out beautifully!

https://thepointsguy.com/guide/best-...airlines-2018/
Maybe we are the perfect match for a Hawaiian hook up?
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