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01-05-2019, 12:19 AM
#7471
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Originally Posted by Rabid Seagull
So the union sends out an email regarding the 'shortened reserve availability periods' the company is trying to pull and how it is prohibited due to the current FSM rules.
When the entire contract is implemented this restriction is gone? Am I missing something, soooo the fsm is more restrictive then the contract?
I hope I'm wrong.
When the entire contract is implemented this restriction is gone? Am I missing something, soooo the fsm is more restrictive then the contract?
I hope I'm wrong.
01-05-2019, 01:41 AM
#7472
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Joined APC: May 2012
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Originally Posted by Rabid Seagull
So the union sends out an email regarding the 'shortened reserve availability periods' the company is trying to pull and how it is prohibited due to the current FSM rules.
When the entire contract is implemented this restriction is gone? Am I missing something, soooo the fsm is more restrictive then the contract?
I hope I'm wrong.
When the entire contract is implemented this restriction is gone? Am I missing something, soooo the fsm is more restrictive then the contract?
I hope I'm wrong.
01-05-2019, 06:36 AM
#7473
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Joined APC: Aug 2013
Position: FO
Posts: 627
Originally Posted by Rabid Seagull
So the union sends out an email regarding the 'shortened reserve availability periods' the company is trying to pull and how it is prohibited due to the current FSM rules.
When the entire contract is implemented this restriction is gone? Am I missing something, soooo the fsm is more restrictive then the contract?
I hope I'm wrong.
When the entire contract is implemented this restriction is gone? Am I missing something, soooo the fsm is more restrictive then the contract?
I hope I'm wrong.
I think the email was emphasizing that they cannot release you from an RAP early without pilot consent, but they can assign a shortened RAP less than 10 hours as long as it is a part of the daily reserve assignment process. A clever loophole.
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01-05-2019, 08:03 AM
#7474
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Posts: 503
Originally Posted by benzoate
Sections that aren't active cannot be enforced. The yellow color is a solid indicator.
I've had several conversations with CS in the last week and they were spouting off sections that haven't been implimented yet. They are ready for Jan 1, 2020 and we're now seeing some of the loopholes in our contract.
As a senior reserve guy, I fear Jan 1, 2020
01-05-2019, 08:37 AM
#7475
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Position: A220 CA
Posts: 601
Originally Posted by Rabid Seagull
I am aware of the current-day Crayola colored contract, but fast forward to Jan 1st 2020. This assignment is perfectly legal ( again, I hope I'm wrong)
I've had several conversations with CS in the last week and they were spouting off sections that haven't been implimented yet. They are ready for Jan 1, 2020 and we're now seeing some of the loopholes in our contract.
As a senior reserve guy, I fear Jan 1, 2020
I've had several conversations with CS in the last week and they were spouting off sections that haven't been implimented yet. They are ready for Jan 1, 2020 and we're now seeing some of the loopholes in our contract.
As a senior reserve guy, I fear Jan 1, 2020
01-05-2019, 01:17 PM
#7477
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Posts: 1,099
Originally Posted by Rabid Seagull
I am aware of the current-day Crayola colored contract, but fast forward to Jan 1st 2020. This assignment is perfectly legal ( again, I hope I'm wrong)
I've had several conversations with CS in the last week and they were spouting off sections that haven't been implimented yet. They are ready for Jan 1, 2020 and we're now seeing some of the loopholes in our contract.
As a senior reserve guy, I fear Jan 1, 2020
I've had several conversations with CS in the last week and they were spouting off sections that haven't been implimented yet. They are ready for Jan 1, 2020 and we're now seeing some of the loopholes in our contract.
As a senior reserve guy, I fear Jan 1, 2020
01-05-2019, 03:07 PM
#7478
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Joined APC: Jun 2006
Posts: 3,945
Originally Posted by Rabid Seagull
I am aware of the current-day Crayola colored contract, but fast forward to Jan 1st 2020. This assignment is perfectly legal ( again, I hope I'm wrong)
I've had several conversations with CS in the last week and they were spouting off sections that haven't been implimented yet. They are ready for Jan 1, 2020 and we're now seeing some of the loopholes in our contract.
As a senior reserve guy, I fear Jan 1, 2020
I've had several conversations with CS in the last week and they were spouting off sections that haven't been implimented yet. They are ready for Jan 1, 2020 and we're now seeing some of the loopholes in our contract.
As a senior reserve guy, I fear Jan 1, 2020
01-05-2019, 05:47 PM
#7479
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Posts: 1,099
This new issue is emblematic of the Culture and Safety are just BS. In the bluthisphere you can put a reserve on first thing in the morning for 4 hours, shut the pilot down and then expect them to be able to report 10-11 hours later.
Show me another major airline that abuses their pilots in such a manner.
But again, the system chief pilot publishes some diatribe about culture and taking care of the airline.
Go **** yourself Jetblue.
Show me another major airline that abuses their pilots in such a manner.
But again, the system chief pilot publishes some diatribe about culture and taking care of the airline.
Go **** yourself Jetblue.
01-05-2019, 06:27 PM
#7480
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Position: FO
Posts: 627
Originally Posted by benzoate
This new issue is emblematic of the Culture and Safety are just BS. In the bluthisphere you can put a reserve on first thing in the morning for 4 hours, shut the pilot down and then expect them to be able to report 10-11 hours later.
25.R.5.c - If you are assigned to rest while in an RAP you can’t be put on a later RAP that same day.
That being said, there’s nothing preventing them from putting you on at midnight thirty. Probably worth a fatigue call at that point.
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