Gojet!!!
01-27-2009, 11:47 AM
#121
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Why?
Getting itchy to go and work for an alter ego?
01-27-2009, 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by laxflier
Getting itchy to go and work for an alter ego?
Last edited by terryhflyer; 01-27-2009 at 01:58 PM.
01-27-2009, 01:06 PM
#123
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Originally Posted by terryhflyer
Yes I am!!! Have you tried to get a flying job lately? I (and hundreds of others) have bills to pay and if flying for Gojet pays those bills and I get to keep my house then you got your answer. When you loose your job you do what you have to. Try it sometime and then post on your experience. If you have been furloughed then you should know better.
You can get nearly any job and get put food on the table as good as you can at GoJet with FO pay. I know you can do a whole lot better waiting tables.
OH and I will be furloughed! and if you go to GoJet, some could make the argument that you'd be part of the reason.
01-27-2009, 03:02 PM
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Waiting tables might pay the bills but it really isn't doing much for my flying career. I am one of those 135 guys with a couple thousand hours sick of sitting by myself in the dark all night in some noisy tin can waiting for the heater to break. I personally don't care much about the labor issues and have no desire to work for a major airline in the future. Fed ex Ups net jets corporate something along those lines would be nice. Im sorry to hear about you tsa guys hitting the streets. I wish you the best of luck. Maybe i won't work there but it won't be from any argument I've read so far.
01-27-2009, 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by kodiakallstar
I personally don't care much about the labor issues.
Have fun at GoJet!
01-27-2009, 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ⌐ AV8OR WANNABE
JJ – I’ve read your posts and you seem to be interested in both sides of the story which is great… However, it appears as if you’re trying to find a reason to give them your acceptance but if you look at the basics it’s simply about what’s right and what’s wrong.
Let’s say you are a pilot for airline A and after a year or so with the company A you’re being told that you’re now being furloughed…
Yet, at the very same time your company creates a side business and calls it airline B to circumnavigate dealings with your pilots’ union and starts hiring other pilots for that operation.
So your employer is simultaneously hiring and furloughing simply to realign pilots into a management friendly unit…
When they told you that you’re being furloughed they also offered you a position at this new alter-ego airline. At the time, the ‘other’ company has no union and is in fact “crewed” by many pilots who’ve crossed picket lines in the past.
So your choice is being furloughed or to ‘move over’ to this new union-busting operation.
This is what I think is wrong – an airline started for one simple reason – to bust the union.
Many things have happened since then; the ‘other’ company or Gojet now has a union and some think they’ve become a legit company. In my view however, since they started out as a union busting operation they can never be a ‘normal airline.’
The pilots there are making a little more than TSA pilots as you pointed out BUT they also fly bigger airplanes. The original disagreement TSA pilots had with their management was over how much money the larger equipment should bring. TSA felt the pilots should get the same pay whether 50 or 70 seat airplanes; the union felt larger airplanes should bring in more…
They ended up paying Gojet pilots a little more than what the 50 seater pilots would've made at TSA however not as much as the union wanted.
Note, before you, or someone else, attacks me for being a leftist fanatic; I’m a proud republican who did not vote for the One – I dislike Gojet because of it’s disgraceful past, that’s all…
I will always be cordial and professional to all Gojet employees however they have not earned my respect (…as I stated before, I actually have a friend there and yes he is still my friend although I will always disagree with his decision).
Let’s say you are a pilot for airline A and after a year or so with the company A you’re being told that you’re now being furloughed…
Yet, at the very same time your company creates a side business and calls it airline B to circumnavigate dealings with your pilots’ union and starts hiring other pilots for that operation.
So your employer is simultaneously hiring and furloughing simply to realign pilots into a management friendly unit…
When they told you that you’re being furloughed they also offered you a position at this new alter-ego airline. At the time, the ‘other’ company has no union and is in fact “crewed” by many pilots who’ve crossed picket lines in the past.
So your choice is being furloughed or to ‘move over’ to this new union-busting operation.
This is what I think is wrong – an airline started for one simple reason – to bust the union.
Many things have happened since then; the ‘other’ company or Gojet now has a union and some think they’ve become a legit company. In my view however, since they started out as a union busting operation they can never be a ‘normal airline.’
The pilots there are making a little more than TSA pilots as you pointed out BUT they also fly bigger airplanes. The original disagreement TSA pilots had with their management was over how much money the larger equipment should bring. TSA felt the pilots should get the same pay whether 50 or 70 seat airplanes; the union felt larger airplanes should bring in more…
They ended up paying Gojet pilots a little more than what the 50 seater pilots would've made at TSA however not as much as the union wanted.
Note, before you, or someone else, attacks me for being a leftist fanatic; I’m a proud republican who did not vote for the One – I dislike Gojet because of it’s disgraceful past, that’s all…
I will always be cordial and professional to all Gojet employees however they have not earned my respect (…as I stated before, I actually have a friend there and yes he is still my friend although I will always disagree with his decision).
I believe your facts are a bit skewed. GoJet was created due to the scope clause that the Allied Pilots Association has with American Airlines. In order to capture the 70 seat flying being offered by United, a different certificate had to be formed so as not to violate the Scope clause of the APA. RAH had to do this for the very same reason...and prior to the completion of that new certificate, they (RAH) paid heavy fines to the APA.
Now, I'll go along with your statement that ALPA couldn't agree on 70 seat pay rates with TSA. GJ offered the initial cadre of pilots 5 year pay to start.
As to "union-busting," I feel that ALPA National should have been more assertive. They obviously decided to turn their backs on the TSA pilots or knew that all they could do was put on a front to show that they were opposed to such a measure. Seeing as though there was no successful legal remedy, I'd say the issue is dead.
Face it, on the regional level there is little--if any--defensible scope.
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01-27-2009, 05:13 PM
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TerryHi. For what it's worth, you shouldn't have edited your post. I totally agree with you. Don't buy into the hype.
For the rest, Continental was once a scab airline worthy of scorn. Now they aren't. Where do you draw the line? You have an ALPA airline (ASA) trying to find work for their furloughed pilots at Gojets. There is no ALPA statement suggesting Gojets should be avoided. Gojet is a union airline.
At one time the scorn for Gojet could be justified. I just don't see it that way anymore. Don't buy into the hype from the peanut gallery...
TerryHi. For what it's worth, you shouldn't have edited your post. I totally agree with you. Don't buy into the hype.
For the rest, Continental was once a scab airline worthy of scorn. Now they aren't. Where do you draw the line? You have an ALPA airline (ASA) trying to find work for their furloughed pilots at Gojets. There is no ALPA statement suggesting Gojets should be avoided. Gojet is a union airline.
At one time the scorn for Gojet could be justified. I just don't see it that way anymore. Don't buy into the hype from the peanut gallery...
01-27-2009, 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by 250 or point 65
We all really appreciate the electronic middle finger you just gave everyone.
Have fun at GoJet!
Have fun at GoJet!
Maybe I should clarify. I'll be hitting the street for basically the same reason or the cargo equivalent of the go jet tsa deal. My company Airnet is putting some of its work on another cheaper company flight express. this works because we're both owned by the same capital group. I know this will soon cause furloughs at airnet due to the ever decreasing route structure, and since I barely survived the first one I have my doubts about this one. We are being told the same thing that we can go to flight express and fly a 210 because flight express is hiring (sound familiar) or basically the electronic middle finger. However, I don't have any animosity towards any flight express pilot. It's not their fault plain and simple. So being that we are in the same boat as I see it, I don't care about the labor issues that's managements deal. I don't know how they sleep at night. unfortunately I'm not a lawyer or maybe I'd go and take it to em for the working class pilots out there. Again best of luck to everyone. and 250 I might see you at lakes if youre the same guy. maybe well be roomates. peace
01-27-2009, 08:00 PM
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As much I hate to admit, I did apply to the company...... even if I have gotten the interview and offered a job, it would be a tough call to make if I want to work there..... but I don't have to worry, but I didn't get anything back from them... I applied may be about a month ago
01-27-2009, 10:07 PM
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Alright, I just read the whole thread. First off, I didn't hear any valid arguements as to the fact that TSA had to start GoJet to expand and add flying. Granted it was not a good situation for TSA pilots it had to happen for TSA to grow. I feel for the TSA crews cause that situation sucks. But my opinion is that the frustration should and should always have been at management, although I don't see any other choice management had in this situation other than turning down the United opportunity.
To give some perspective from my standpoint. I think that when ASA was acquired by Skywest and they assumed the delivery of some of our aircraft that was a bad situation. Then more recently our contract was ratified. Shortly afterward Skywest pilots (non union) began working by nearly the same work rules and salary. Then their pilot group voted down ALPA in a union drive. Not the best decision in my opinion. Even more recently ASA announces furloughes while Skywest has not announced any furloughes and has preestablished aircraft deliveries scheduled.
Am I mad at Skywest pilots? No, absolutely not. Nor am I upset at them for the decisions that Skywest Inc. has made. My hope is that we can work better together to make things better. And I realize that being upset with other pilots will not serve our best interest.
To give some perspective from my standpoint. I think that when ASA was acquired by Skywest and they assumed the delivery of some of our aircraft that was a bad situation. Then more recently our contract was ratified. Shortly afterward Skywest pilots (non union) began working by nearly the same work rules and salary. Then their pilot group voted down ALPA in a union drive. Not the best decision in my opinion. Even more recently ASA announces furloughes while Skywest has not announced any furloughes and has preestablished aircraft deliveries scheduled.
Am I mad at Skywest pilots? No, absolutely not. Nor am I upset at them for the decisions that Skywest Inc. has made. My hope is that we can work better together to make things better. And I realize that being upset with other pilots will not serve our best interest.
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