Gojet!!!
11-04-2008, 08:28 AM
#61
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Originally Posted by CaptainCarl
Right, there is absolutely nothing wrong with doing what you have to do to support your family, but going to GoJet is just plain wrong. I believe that pilots should stop fighting pilots, but I do not believe that anyone, for any reason, should work for GoJet. And if they do, they are willingly (knowing or not) helping management screw honest pilots.
There are plenty of alternatives to flying for GoJet. Get a job at Home Depot, Sam's Club, in construction, go back to school, get an instructor job. Do anything else but work for GoJet.
It's a lot like the Ford Model T: You can have it in any color you want, as long as it's black.
Same goes for jobs and supporting your family: You can have any job you want, as long as it's NOT for GoJet.
There are plenty of alternatives to flying for GoJet. Get a job at Home Depot, Sam's Club, in construction, go back to school, get an instructor job. Do anything else but work for GoJet.
It's a lot like the Ford Model T: You can have it in any color you want, as long as it's black.
Same goes for jobs and supporting your family: You can have any job you want, as long as it's NOT for GoJet.
11-04-2008, 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by AirTrucker
As an employer myself and seeing what the job market is....a job is a job right now. You are lucky yourself to have found a job. I myself do not agree with the management style that Go Jet has and if jobs where abundant I would be agreeing with you and others to not work at GO Jets! I have a strong feeling that when things take off, Go Jet might find themselves hard up for pilots. Who knows if the guys at Go Jet (who are their cuz they where laid off) would even find a retail job or any other job. Pilotpip, retail is just as worse or worse then the airlines are when it comes to job loss. In no way am I saying that you should not of found a job in retail, you did what you had to do and I respect you for that. Right now people are in survival mode, the economy is in the tanks and might even get worse. In the business I am in this will be our second year with no holiday peak season for shipping! We where starting to see the signs of a weak economy a year ago. I have a guy that’s does not want to be away from his family, but he has had no luck finding a job. So he is making a sacrifice and being away from them three weeks at a time! Its rough out there and I respect people who are doing what they can to survive!
But for all those guys out there who have no experience and are trying to break into the airline industry, I highly recommend you avoid GoJet. Do a search of these forums and you will find out why.
Just for clarification, these are the exact words from Section 1 (Recognition and Job Security), paragraph C.2 of the Trans States Collective Bargaining Agreement: "The Company shall not create or aquire an alter ego to avoid the terms and conditions of the Agreement."
GoJet is an alter ego, created by our company to "avoid the terms and conditions of the Agreement."
11-04-2008, 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by AirTrucker
Well if the economy was good and jobs where plentiful I would be saying the same thing Don’t Work for GO Jet. Retail is not the best right now it’s in the tanks. Carl I may not agree with some of things you say but I respect your opinion and the fact that you have one! And same with everyone else! This is a good debate!
11-04-2008, 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by CaptainCarl
Get a job anywhere! It doesn't have to be in retail. There are plenty of jobs out there if you just look hard enough. Sure, they may not be flying jobs, but at least they will pay the bills. Pilots have to tighten their belts, just like everyone else in the U.S. I'm sorry this industry has gotten like this and I am sorry to all the guys who have invested much more time and energy into this than I have. I hope the best for all the guys on and off the street. I hope today will bring a much needed change into our government. A change we desperately need.
11-04-2008, 09:11 AM
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"I would hope that those who take or have taken a job at GoJet because they were furloughed from another airline (United, ATA, etc.) will bail out of GoJet the first chance they get."
Thats almost what I think, maybe I should of worded my first post better.
Thats almost what I think, maybe I should of worded my first post better.
11-04-2008, 09:33 AM
#66
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Originally Posted by AirTrucker
"I would hope that those who take or have taken a job at GoJet because they were furloughed from another airline (United, ATA, etc.) will bail out of GoJet the first chance they get."
Thats almost what I think, maybe I should of worded my first post better.
Thats almost what I think, maybe I should of worded my first post better.
I'm glad we could see eye to eye on this subject.
11-04-2008, 02:33 PM
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NO excuse working for GoJet - NONE
11-04-2008, 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by CaptainCarl
Right, there is absolutely nothing wrong with doing what you have to do to support your family, but going to GoJet is just plain wrong. I believe that pilots should stop fighting pilots, but I do not believe that anyone, for any reason, should work for GoJet. And if they do, they are willingly (knowing or not) helping management screw honest pilots.
There are plenty of alternatives to flying for GoJet. Get a job at Home Depot, Sam's Club, in construction, go back to school, get an instructor job. Do anything else but work for GoJet.
It's a lot like the Ford Model T: You can have it in any color you want, as long as it's black.
Same goes for jobs and supporting your family: You can have any job you want, as long as it's NOT for GoJet.
There are plenty of alternatives to flying for GoJet. Get a job at Home Depot, Sam's Club, in construction, go back to school, get an instructor job. Do anything else but work for GoJet.
It's a lot like the Ford Model T: You can have it in any color you want, as long as it's black.
Same goes for jobs and supporting your family: You can have any job you want, as long as it's NOT for GoJet.
Hey Captain... let me bring you back to reality:
Home Depot, Sam's Club, construction jobs keep you away from flying/currency. Now if you're furloughed from a legacy carrier in business with train-to-proficiency in contract, you might have an argument. But take a pilot whose carrier actually shut down... they don't have the same option.
Would any ALPA groups support taking assessments of 20% of your salary to support those furloughees just so they don't go to places like GoJet or other questionable carriers? Until you do... you have no room to talk.
No, I don't work for GoJet.
11-04-2008, 05:35 PM
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relax. he's simply stating why gj was created, why you shouldnt work there. here is how i see it. when everyone's hiring, people say going to gj is wrong. when nobody but gj is hiring, people change their tune and rationalize why its ok to go there. gotta put food on the table, pay bills, etc. yeah...we know. if a pilot group was on strike, i think some of you would use the same rationalizations to fly that work. (don't put words in my mouth, I AM NOT SAYING GJ IS STRUCK WORK) if going somewhere was wrong, its still wrong, regardless of the circumstances. its been noted and documented why gj was created, decide for yourself, but don't change tunes.
FURTHERMORE, let me tell you as a trans states pilot and a downgraded captain, what i am seeing here. i am seeing many of my fellow pilots getting furloughed, and gj expand and hire. and that, my friends, is a slap in the face. it really bothers me to no end, and i really feel badly for those getting furloughed. hopefully they can move on to greener pastures. those taking jobs at gj are supporting the reason they exist in the first place, and are putting additional pilots out of work. they are essentially replacing us. nobody can provide any justification acceptable to me, or those getting laid off, for doing something like that.
FURTHERMORE, let me tell you as a trans states pilot and a downgraded captain, what i am seeing here. i am seeing many of my fellow pilots getting furloughed, and gj expand and hire. and that, my friends, is a slap in the face. it really bothers me to no end, and i really feel badly for those getting furloughed. hopefully they can move on to greener pastures. those taking jobs at gj are supporting the reason they exist in the first place, and are putting additional pilots out of work. they are essentially replacing us. nobody can provide any justification acceptable to me, or those getting laid off, for doing something like that.
11-04-2008, 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
Would any ALPA groups support taking assessments of 20% of your salary to support those furloughees just so they don't go to places like GoJet or other questionable carriers? Until you do... you have no room to talk.
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