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Old 03-24-2023 | 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
Of course there is. There is decrease in cognitive function as you age. So there should be a cognitive exam for aged pilots.

And don't worry. Those new hires get an EKG at 35. That's plenty young enough, even for the largest pilots.
What you say is true but cognitive function is relative to lifestyle outside of disease and has been proven to be slowed considerably by living a healthy lifestyle. Numerous clinical studies and testing have shown that many factors which we can control affect our cognitive function. Having purpose, continuous learning and daily exercise are paramount to keeping our mental faculties sharp. Furthermore clinical research is on the precipice of huge breakthroughs pharmaceutically in reversing cognitive decline or eliminating it outright.

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/12/419201/drug-reverses-age-related-mental-decline-within-days

It will come down to revising physical examination standards to reflect current and future lifestyle trends and medical interventions.
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Old 03-24-2023 | 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Crjdeuce
Forced downgrade at 65 if you wish to continue til 67
The only pilot potentially more insufferable to fly with than a pilot flying as a copilot too long would be a pilot of 20+ years as a captain downgraded to first officer.

Just shoot me now.

Is there a PBS option for “no fly with FO>65”?
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Old 03-24-2023 | 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Wingtip220
I agree with everything above. The era of age discrimination needs to go away both on low side and high side. How the powers that be come up with a solution would be the big legal question.
ATC? Military? Civil service? Drinking? Gun/voting age/Cigs? Age to wed? Age to wed with parental approval? Emancipation of minors? Ageism…be gone!
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Old 03-25-2023 | 07:23 AM
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Fight back against another 2 years of career stagnation. It takes 20 seconds to do. https://alpa.quorum.us/campaign/46304/
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Old 03-25-2023 | 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by OpieTaylor
If the woke members of congress get involved they may try and kill it. Easy to point out past hiring practices generated more white males on the seniority list than current DEI hiring practices.

Extending the retirement age exacerbates the sins of the past and rewards it. If they think infrastructure is racist, then it’s an easy conclusion that a date of hire seniority list created pre DEI needs run it’s course as fast as possible.

If WIA, OBAP, and NGPA , can campaign they have 3 times as many members on the bottom half of the seniority list, vs the top half, it shows extending retirement age is just extending income inequality.
Now we just have to figure out how to also spin this into an anti-global warming bill. Then it will surely be defeated!

Originally Posted by terks43
What do you notice about the co-sponsors? Not a single Democrat..
There are no Democrat cosponsors but it is supported by at least two of them.
The legislation first proposed last year by Senator Lindsey Graham and other Republicans now includes Democrats Joe Manchin and Mark Kelly, a former Navy pilot and astronaut.
https://www.reuters.com/business/aer...ge-2023-03-21/


As a stand alone piece of legislation, this probably doesn’t go anywhere. But the timing of it being proposed now suggest it’ll be part of the broader FAA reauthorization bill that will be negotiated in the next five months.
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Old 03-25-2023 | 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by FXLAX
As a stand alone piece of legislation, this probably doesn’t go anywhere. But the timing of it being proposed now suggest it’ll be part of the broader FAA reauthorization bill that will be negotiated in the next five months.
Could be, no way in hell that gets vetoed.

The age 65 legislation was actually stand-alone IIRC, but there was a fairly pressing need for that: 60+ foreign ICAO operating in our airspace while US pilots were grounded.
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Old 03-25-2023 | 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Wingtip220
I don’t post here much but this topic seems to pull the aggression and immaturity out of many. With the advancement in preventative medicine and a more robust approach to healthy lifestyles the aging process is changing for the better. Within a decade we are going to see a lot of age related disease either eradicated or slowed considerably so tell me why should there be any mandatory retirement laws. I know surgeons, professors, scientists etc that are as sharp as a tack and are practicing in their fields with admiration. I know pilots who have retired and went right into the training environment to produce new pilots so if they’re in such cognitive decline how are they qualified to train, think about that. Everybody’s different and can be sacked medically at any time, age doesn’t matter. All I see here is selfishness. I’m not close to retirement btw but if the person I’m in the cockpit is safe and standard I don’t care what his/her age is. I wholeheartedly believe in physical standards and yes they should evolve with newer protocols and detection techniques but the era of age discrimination needs to go the way of the dodo. No other pilot has the power to tell another to “get out of my way boomer” or whatever other phrase has been lobbed towards older colleagues. I’m sure the many that oppose didn’t get to experience pay for training, post 9/11 lost decade, TWA/American staple, US Air pension forfeiture etc. so keep the perspective that todays time in the profession is great for the foreseeable future. Those who say the economy is gonna tank and cause layoffs well let me tell ya we’re all numbers and layoffs will happen regardless of the retirement age. So get over yourselves and realize in the end we all benefit when we’re not discriminated against.

This is the most mature,professional and practical response to this topic I’ve heard so far.
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Old 03-25-2023 | 08:19 PM
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Reminds me of Dr. Michael Debakey, the famous heart surgeon. He chided another surgeon, at his 65th birthday retirement. He was well into his 80s at the time. Kept operating until almost 100.

If the name does not click, Debakey invented heart bypass surgery, and many other advances that extended the lives of millions. In Houston, at Methodist Hospital, the heart section of the hospital is the Debakey Heart Institute.

My mother had a triple bypass at age 70. Her surgeon was trained by Dr. Debakey. She lived until age 94. Her heart was still fine when she passed away.

Good health, passing rigorous physical and mental exams — retire when you want. That is going to happen in the next couple of decades.
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Old 03-25-2023 | 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
The reason is $. If lots of people buy tickets, airlines will provide service. If they're short of resources (pilots), they'll do triage based on revenue & profitability... that's what's happening at the regionals.

They're not going to allocate service based on what's "fair" or how far people have to drive, and lose their arse in the process.
Lots of these routes are EAS. Reverse distribution of wealth.
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Old 03-26-2023 | 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by JulesWinfield
Lots of these routes are EAS. Reverse distribution of wealth.
In that case the customer is .gov. Otherwise the same principles still apply.
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