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01-31-2015 | 02:06 PM
#5951
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And there isn't a soul alive flying an F-22 with only 200 hours.
01-31-2015 | 02:19 PM
#5952
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Sorry, but I have to call BS here. You're way overestimating the abilities of a brand-new military pilot. Yes, they receive great training, but they still have the experience and judgment of a 250 hour pilot. No way around that. A fresh-out-of-B-course fighter pilot poses a greater danger to his fellow pilots than to any adversary. Sure, they can fly the jet, but their SA is about zero at that point.
And there isn't a soul alive flying an F-22 with only 200 hours.
And there isn't a soul alive flying an F-22 with only 200 hours.
01-31-2015 | 02:41 PM
#5953
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Says the guy who has near zero time flying in winter icing conditions. Summarizing flying in a winter storm as "read your manuals and turn your ice on--it's that easy" is EXACTLY why you shouldn't be a 121 Captain at this stage in the game. You're immaturity is dangerous.
If their seniority can hold it, and they meet the mins then let the training take it's course and they either pass or fail. If they fail and it is within their probationary year then they are out of a job most likely.
In 2000 we hiring street Captains on the E120 at ASA, and some of them came straight from Flight safety, or Riddle with an ATP written and the ATP requirements. They did just fine with no hull loses.
01-31-2015 | 02:51 PM
#5954
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Does it need to be any harder? Seriously, I get that experience is important, but so is following company procedures and checklists. I have yet to fly an airliner that doesn't have detailed procedures on how to handle cold weather ops. You guys make it sound like you need to be a master aviator to recognize the situation that requires engine and/or wing anti-ice.
If their seniority can hold it, and they meet the mins then let the training take it's course and they either pass or fail. If they fail and it is within their probationary year then they are out of a job most likely.
In 2000 we hiring street Captains on the E120 at ASA, and some of them came straight from Flight safety, or Riddle with an ATP written and the ATP requirements. They did just fine with no hull loses.
If their seniority can hold it, and they meet the mins then let the training take it's course and they either pass or fail. If they fail and it is within their probationary year then they are out of a job most likely.
In 2000 we hiring street Captains on the E120 at ASA, and some of them came straight from Flight safety, or Riddle with an ATP written and the ATP requirements. They did just fine with no hull loses.
01-31-2015 | 03:05 PM
#5955
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From: doggy style
Originally Posted by CBreezy
You aren't an expert in the winter because you've read your winter ops manual and did IOE.
01-31-2015 | 03:17 PM
#5956
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You're right. Experience is overrated. I say we put a 1500 pilot in the left seat of a 777. I mean, if you read your manuals, you've pretty much got this.
01-31-2015 | 03:29 PM
#5957
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From: gear slinger
Does it need to be any harder? Seriously, I get that experience is important, but so is following company procedures and checklists. I have yet to fly an airliner that doesn't have detailed procedures on how to handle cold weather ops. You guys make it sound like you need to be a master aviator to recognize the situation that requires engine and/or wing anti-ice.
If their seniority can hold it, and they meet the mins then let the training take it's course and they either pass or fail. If they fail and it is within their probationary year then they are out of a job most likely.
In 2000 we hiring street Captains on the E120 at ASA, and some of them came straight from Flight safety, or Riddle with an ATP written and the ATP requirements. They did just fine with no hull loses.
If their seniority can hold it, and they meet the mins then let the training take it's course and they either pass or fail. If they fail and it is within their probationary year then they are out of a job most likely.
In 2000 we hiring street Captains on the E120 at ASA, and some of them came straight from Flight safety, or Riddle with an ATP written and the ATP requirements. They did just fine with no hull loses.
01-31-2015 | 03:45 PM
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Gr8pe Ape said, in part
"...and to reach further back, anyone should look into the accident rates of those newly minted WW2 pilots."
Double-digit hour counts, and off to the front. The wipe out rate in training was astronomical. Even though much of the training was in places like Florida and Kansas, where nothing stuck up to get in the way. The planes were made to last +/- 20 missions, because that was the average airframe lifespan. Use the parts from some to fix up the shot-up aircraft who made it back.
What amazes me is the number of airports named after some green volunteer who pranged fatally during training. Ohare is the exception, not the rule.
"...and to reach further back, anyone should look into the accident rates of those newly minted WW2 pilots."
Double-digit hour counts, and off to the front. The wipe out rate in training was astronomical. Even though much of the training was in places like Florida and Kansas, where nothing stuck up to get in the way. The planes were made to last +/- 20 missions, because that was the average airframe lifespan. Use the parts from some to fix up the shot-up aircraft who made it back.
What amazes me is the number of airports named after some green volunteer who pranged fatally during training. Ohare is the exception, not the rule.
01-31-2015 | 03:45 PM
#5959
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Pure comedy all the rationalization going on here. Seriously.
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EL-OH-EL
01-31-2015 | 03:47 PM
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Give me some de-ice flip cards and let's rip.
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