Notices
NetJets Fractional Operator

NetJets Hiring Process

Old 09-25-2019, 12:43 PM
  #571  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Aug 2019
Posts: 131
Default

Originally Posted by Retractable View Post
Well now... that brings up a whole other argument.

We had guys “on furlough” that hadn’t accepted recall for years past the offer to come back. Some had military commitments, others employment contracts, etc.

Surely, you can’t mean those who were technically furloughed but wouldn’t accept recall are the same as furloughed for real and on the street?

So far as extra time even being available to fly, furloughed pilots or not... NO extra time was available in my legacy fleet the entire time I was on it. That includes the entire furlough period. NO extra time was available until 2015 in my new fleet.

I’m pretty sure that easily includes the entire legitimate furlough period.

I’m calling “Fake News” (has to be a bad source) on you. And that’s fine.

But review those Duty Summaries to be sure.
So I take it by your comment here you are worried your name is on the list? Quite defensive in all regards. I have NO idea who you are nor do I really care. I can say without a doubt on my spreadsheet here there are several extended days being used. It is for a date in which they still had people on the street. I can tell you the fleets were G200 and XL on one report and Phenom, XL and G200 on second one. I will not post them as it gets into a legal area I don’t want to get involved in and if I blacked out the names it would be even harder to read anyway...

If you didn’t extend voluntarily, don’t worry about it and if you did don’t worry about it either, the damage has already been done.
DH2time is offline  
Old 09-25-2019, 03:57 PM
  #572  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: C47 PIC/747-400 SIC
Posts: 2,100
Default

I was a furloughee, the unspoken ( and shouldn’t need to be spoken ) rule ,while folks are out on the street should always be zero overtime , zero anything that keeps peeps on the streets one day longer than necessary till every eligible body returns to the seniority list . I was blessed to soft land into a 747 cockpit during our forced vacation , but some of our brothers and sisters really suffered during the 4.5 year involuntary vaca, we always need to look out for each other . Cheers .
727C47 is offline  
Old 09-25-2019, 04:59 PM
  #573  
Line Holder
 
Joined APC: Apr 2011
Posts: 46
Default

Anyone who worked a schedule with more days on duty than the 7/7 is responsible for prolonging the furloughs of the 495. This includes the 15 Day and 18 Day schedules.
Undaunted is offline  
Old 09-25-2019, 05:14 PM
  #574  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: May 2006
Posts: 1,018
Default

Originally Posted by Undaunted View Post
Anyone who worked a schedule with more days on duty than the 7/7 is responsible for prolonging the furloughs of the 495. This includes the 15 Day and 18 Day schedules.
Your argument falls flat on the 15 day since it was 2 days a year less than the 7&7 and was way less efficient for the company than any of the other schedules at the time. I can agree with the 18 day.

Sent from my LG-H872 using Tapatalk
jtf560 is offline  
Old 09-25-2019, 07:17 PM
  #575  
Line Holder
 
Joined APC: Apr 2011
Posts: 46
Default

Originally Posted by jtf560 View Post
Your argument falls flat on the 15 day since it was 2 days a year less than the 7&7 and was way less efficient for the company than any of the other schedules at the time. I can agree with the 18 day.

Sent from my LG-H872 using Tapatalk
I stand corrected on the issue WRT the 15 Day schedule.

But how many jobs could have been saved by pilots vacating the 18 Day schedule? I know the Company limited pilots vacating the 18 Day (presumably so everyone couldn't leave at once), but there were plenty who were willing to work those extra days during the furlough. Those kind of pilots put the "I" in unIon.
Undaunted is offline  
Old 09-26-2019, 10:39 AM
  #576  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Dec 2017
Position: Retired NJA & AA
Posts: 1,900
Default

Back to the thread topic of NJA hiring process, there's a change coming if you have someone at NJA to recommend you. A new "Employee Gateway" Portal will show job openings including pilots and allow you to track the status of someone you recommended. The new portal should be implemented by Dec 15th.
AirBear is offline  
Old 09-26-2019, 12:00 PM
  #577  
Banned
 
Joined APC: Sep 2018
Posts: 378
Default

Originally Posted by DH2time View Post
So I take it by your comment here you are worried your name is on the list? Quite defensive in all regards. I have NO idea who you are nor do I really care. I can say without a doubt on my spreadsheet here there are several extended days being used. It is for a date in which they still had people on the street. I can tell you the fleets were G200 and XL on one report and Phenom, XL and G200 on second one. I will not post them as it gets into a legal area I don’t want to get involved in and if I blacked out the names it would be even harder to read anyway...

If you didn’t extend voluntarily, don’t worry about it and if you did don’t worry about it either, the damage has already been done.
Not at all.

Don’t go cross-eyed reading dozens of pages of code.

Thanks for protecting us from abuse that didn’t occur because there was no extra time to be had. But you do your thing!

Again... you must define “people on the street”. If it was after they offered recall to the entire list and some remained out voluntarily or due to other commitments... well, that’s voluntary. That doesn’t count to make the point you’re trying to make (for whatever reason you are).

Again, knock yourself out. I won’t show on a scab list. I also won’t show up on Duty Summaries in the way you infer.
Retractable is offline  
Old 09-26-2019, 12:08 PM
  #578  
Banned
 
Joined APC: Sep 2018
Posts: 378
Default

Originally Posted by 727C47 View Post
I was a furloughee, the unspoken ( and shouldn’t need to be spoken ) rule ,while folks are out on the street should always be zero overtime , zero anything that keeps peeps on the streets one day longer than necessary till every eligible body returns to the seniority list . I was blessed to soft land into a 747 cockpit during our forced vacation , but some of our brothers and sisters really suffered during the 4.5 year involuntary vaca, we always need to look out for each other . Cheers .
Well, “overtime” is a very broad term here, as you know.

Scheduled overtime on day one and overtime after 12 hours should not be something looked down upon.

The pilot has zero power over that legitimately.
Retractable is offline  
Old 09-26-2019, 12:13 PM
  #579  
Banned
 
Joined APC: Sep 2018
Posts: 378
Default

Originally Posted by Undaunted View Post
Anyone who worked a schedule with more days on duty than the 7/7 is responsible for prolonging the furloughs of the 495. This includes the 15 Day and 18 Day schedules.
If the Union would have said “don’t fly the 18”, your point might be valid.

1) It wasn’t legal for the Union to state that.

2) Wanting pilots not to fly the 18 during a furlough is understandable, but at the end of the day it’s just an opinion with zero legal weight.

I want flamingos to hang out in my back yard.... but I don’t see it happening.
Retractable is offline  
Old 09-26-2019, 12:25 PM
  #580  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: May 2006
Posts: 1,018
Default

Originally Posted by Retractable View Post
If the Union would have said “don’t fly the 18”, your point might be valid.



1) It wasn’t legal for the Union to state that.



2) Wanting pilots not to fly the 18 during a furlough is understandable, but at the end of the day it’s just an opinion with zero legal weight.



I want flamingos to hang out in my back yard.... but I don’t see it happening.
The union doesn't have to request or suggest not doing a particular schedule (and as you said, legally couldn't anyway) for it to still be perhaps morally wrong to do while there are union brothers and sisters on furlough. Nobody here said anything about the union opinion. It is just plain common sense and typically at the airlines, common practice to not pick up open time or work extra days when there are people on furlough. That said, once everyone has been offered a recall, I personally have no problem with anyone picking up as much time as they wish when furloughed pilots are still deferring recall.

Sent from my LG-H872 using Tapatalk
jtf560 is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
1st Supersonic
Atlas/Polar
20382
03-17-2024 06:39 AM
Guard Dude
Delta
201720
04-06-2022 06:59 AM
Cubdriver
NetJets
29
10-01-2011 11:09 AM
UCLAbruins
Fractional
9
12-17-2007 07:32 AM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Your Privacy Choices