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02-13-2015 | 04:37 PM
#1771
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From: GLG20
Is this FACT? Can you back up that out of an 18% incomplete rate that almost half don't actually wash out? That seems like an absolutely ridiculous number. You are saying that almost half leave of their own accord? Because what? They found another job mid training at a major or something as you said before? I just don't buy it sir. Perhaps they leave because they know they are going to fail, but even then the number is high.
How are you privy to such information? It surely is not something your company shares to the public pilot group. If a "training center" guy told you, I would believe it even less.
How are you privy to such information? It surely is not something your company shares to the public pilot group. If a "training center" guy told you, I would believe it even less.
For any new potential hires out there, when you go to training at any company/airline give it 110%. Nobody is gonna give you anything. PSA and other regionals need pilots bad, but your not gonna get a type rating and/or ATP certificate just because you showed up.
02-13-2015 | 04:44 PM
#1772
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I have to ask what difference does it make?
For any new potential hires out there, when you go to training at any company/airline give it 110%. Nobody is gonna give you anything. PSA and other regionals need pilots bad, but your not gonna get a type rating and/or ATP certificate just because you showed up.
For any new potential hires out there, when you go to training at any company/airline give it 110%. Nobody is gonna give you anything. PSA and other regionals need pilots bad, but your not gonna get a type rating and/or ATP certificate just because you showed up.
I'd bet maybe 2-3% total leave of their own accord, most really leaving before they get booted, not on to a major.
As soon as I mentioned that I thought they were hiring too many "this guy probably won't pass but let's try anyway" types, there was a immediate sensitive response. I think there is sometbing here and to me it is obvious what is going on.
I agree that it doesn't make a diffference to a new hire per se as much as it is showing a little desperation on the part of the airline though.
02-13-2015 | 04:50 PM
#1773
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From: CL65
I have to ask what difference does it make?
For any new potential hires out there, when you go to training at any company/airline give it 110%. Nobody is gonna give you anything. PSA and other regionals need pilots bad, but your not gonna get a type rating and/or ATP certificate just because you showed up.
For any new potential hires out there, when you go to training at any company/airline give it 110%. Nobody is gonna give you anything. PSA and other regionals need pilots bad, but your not gonna get a type rating and/or ATP certificate just because you showed up.
The only way to have a lower rate would be to:
1) Be MUCH more selective during the interview process, thus leading to many people that are qualified but still do not get a job offer since there is a slight chance that they might fail several months down the road.
or
2) Pass everyone, wether they deserve it or not.
Neither of these are a good way to run a company. A small failure/drop out rate is not a bad thing. It shows that the company gives people a chance to come and prove themselves, but that not everyone passes.
Training lasts about 4 months right now. In that time, many things can happen. Considering half of the new hires are previous 121 guys, and another 3-5 guys per class are prior military, it should not be surprising that some of them get hired elsewhere.
02-13-2015 | 04:52 PM
#1774
BlueYonder
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Well saying that 8% of the pilots in each class, on average, leave on their own, insinuates it is not a choice in who they hire or a problem with training as much.
I'd bet maybe 2-3% total leave of their own accord, most really leaving before they get booted, not on to a major.
As soon as I mentioned that I thought they were hiring too many "this guy probably won't pass but let's try anyway" types, there was a immediate sensitive response. I think there is sometbing here and to me it is obvious what is going on.
I agree that it doesn't make a diffference to a new hire per se as much as it is showing a little desperation on the part of the airline though.
I'd bet maybe 2-3% total leave of their own accord, most really leaving before they get booted, not on to a major.
As soon as I mentioned that I thought they were hiring too many "this guy probably won't pass but let's try anyway" types, there was a immediate sensitive response. I think there is sometbing here and to me it is obvious what is going on.
I agree that it doesn't make a diffference to a new hire per se as much as it is showing a little desperation on the part of the airline though.
What regional airline is not a little desperate to hire right now?
02-13-2015 | 05:55 PM
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Well saying that 8% of the pilots in each class, on average, leave on their own, insinuates it is not a choice in who they hire or a problem with training as much.
I'd bet maybe 2-3% total leave of their own accord, most really leaving before they get booted, not on to a major.
As soon as I mentioned that I thought they were hiring too many "this guy probably won't pass but let's try anyway" types, there was a immediate sensitive response. I think there is sometbing here and to me it is obvious what is going on.
I agree that it doesn't make a diffference to a new hire per se as much as it is showing a little desperation on the part of the airline though.
I'd bet maybe 2-3% total leave of their own accord, most really leaving before they get booted, not on to a major.
As soon as I mentioned that I thought they were hiring too many "this guy probably won't pass but let's try anyway" types, there was a immediate sensitive response. I think there is sometbing here and to me it is obvious what is going on.
I agree that it doesn't make a diffference to a new hire per se as much as it is showing a little desperation on the part of the airline though.
02-13-2015 | 06:03 PM
#1776
BlueYonder
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So with all that said, out of 35 of my fellow new hires I'm only aware of one who did not make it through training. Have we beat this dead horse enough yet, our should we kick it a few more times just to be sure?
02-13-2015 | 06:21 PM
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At the time, a binding contract to NOT sign concessions seemed useFUL.
With their actions, PSA proved that it was not.
You(PSA) put your fellow pilot down. Your scabs are upgrading in a year while I have FOs that have been on reserve for 3 years, and are looking at 7-8 years of poor pay before they upgrade. The only difference between them and you is that they stood up for the industry while your group took advantage of it. They knew they would benefit from saying yes, but said no for the greater good - and now they are paying the price, because you didn't play ball and effectively signed a death warrant for the careers of many.
What would have happened if no pact was signed and PSA was honest that they would readily screw over any other pilot group to look out for their own? Do you think that a level playing field like that would have resulted in you being able to do what you did? Doubtful.
So don't lecture me about moral turpitude kiddo. You belong to an organization that sucked it dry.
IF we were unified, we would not be under handing each other like management wanted. That pact was a good faith effort, by most anyway, to NOT allow management to whipsaw us and create disunity. Again, all ruined by your own selfish actions.
With their actions, PSA proved that it was not.
You(PSA) put your fellow pilot down. Your scabs are upgrading in a year while I have FOs that have been on reserve for 3 years, and are looking at 7-8 years of poor pay before they upgrade. The only difference between them and you is that they stood up for the industry while your group took advantage of it. They knew they would benefit from saying yes, but said no for the greater good - and now they are paying the price, because you didn't play ball and effectively signed a death warrant for the careers of many.
What would have happened if no pact was signed and PSA was honest that they would readily screw over any other pilot group to look out for their own? Do you think that a level playing field like that would have resulted in you being able to do what you did? Doubtful.
So don't lecture me about moral turpitude kiddo. You belong to an organization that sucked it dry.
IF we were unified, we would not be under handing each other like management wanted. That pact was a good faith effort, by most anyway, to NOT allow management to whipsaw us and create disunity. Again, all ruined by your own selfish actions.
Didn't a judge rule in 2010 or 2011 that only the Eagle union could operate their airplanes because they were co-signers on the loans?
How did Eagles name get off the title of their airplanes?
Hasn't AMR been trying to get as far away from Eagle as possible since before 2007, they just couldn't find any buyers?
You're so quick to blame PSA for Eagles problems. Bottom line is American competes with Delta who shutdown their top heavy airline, and pulled major concessions from their other wholly owned. You don't think any pressure came from their direct competition?
02-13-2015 | 07:14 PM
#1779
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Well saying that 8% of the pilots in each class, on average, leave on their own, insinuates it is not a choice in who they hire or a problem with training as much.
I'd bet maybe 2-3% total leave of their own accord, most really leaving before they get booted, not on to a major.
As soon as I mentioned that I thought they were hiring too many "this guy probably won't pass but let's try anyway" types, there was a immediate sensitive response. I think there is sometbing here and to me it is obvious what is going on.
I agree that it doesn't make a diffference to a new hire per se as much as it is showing a little desperation on the part of the airline though.
I'd bet maybe 2-3% total leave of their own accord, most really leaving before they get booted, not on to a major.
As soon as I mentioned that I thought they were hiring too many "this guy probably won't pass but let's try anyway" types, there was a immediate sensitive response. I think there is sometbing here and to me it is obvious what is going on.
I agree that it doesn't make a diffference to a new hire per se as much as it is showing a little desperation on the part of the airline though.
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