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Old 03-03-2015 | 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by CRJail
And yet, it could happen. You can also upgrade on a 737 and move to the 777 with zero experience with ocean crossing. My point is that this is not a PSA issue (if it is at all), it's an industry issue and should be addressed in a different thread.
It is if you take what I said out context. If you read it as I wrote it, it is a PSA issue.
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Old 03-03-2015 | 04:16 PM
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If you WERE in a diff equipment and upgraded in the time frame Crusader is talking about, with a new inexperienced FO, then he has a point.
That is exactly my point. Things start to compound:
Low time CA
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New airplane for CA
New company

Sprinkle in some weather and/or inflight mechanical issue and voila, uncannily close to our last air disaster.
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Old 03-03-2015 | 04:58 PM
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I'm a PSA guy, I agree with you. Dunno why some guys are turning it into some conspiracy. I'm not saying planes are falling outta the sky tomorrow; I'm saying it's potentially less than ideal.
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Old 03-03-2015 | 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by gatorbuc99
I'm a PSA guy, I agree with you. Dunno why some guys are turning it into some conspiracy. I'm not saying planes are falling outta the sky tomorrow; I'm saying it's potentially less than ideal.
I'm not saying it either. Just that it seems a little scary is all. Things are changing so fast on this industry. Hard to tell where our next issue might be.
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Old 03-03-2015 | 05:15 PM
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Its funny that some of you think you have just discovered some new threat to the industry and use PSA as your main example but I guess you guys haven't been around long enough to remember the not too distant past.

Anyone here employed at a regional back in 2006/2007? Upgrades were crazy low at a lot of places like CHQ/XJT/SKW. I have a buddy that upgraded at XJT with barely over 1500 total time and only 22 months on property and then flew around with 500 hr first officers for the next couple of years before the 08 recession hit. If you go back even further the late 90s was even worse, guys were holding captain before even finishing ground school as an FO at some commuters.

I just find it ironic that we now have a minimum of 1500 hours and an ATP to be a 121 FO and a minimum of 1000 SIC to bid for upgrade and you are all predicting smoking holes in the ground when the situation was much worse not too long ago. It pays to have a little perspective when discussing these issues to avoid looking foolish.
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Old 03-03-2015 | 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Dunkin
Its funny that some of you think you have just discovered some new threat to the industry and use PSA as your main example but I guess you guys haven't been around long enough to remember the not too distant past.

Anyone here employed at a regional back in 2006/2007? Upgrades were crazy low at a lot of places like CHQ/XJT/SKW. I have a buddy that upgraded at XJT with barely over 1500 total time and only 22 months on property and then flew around with 500 hr first officers for the next couple of years before the 08 recession hit. If you go back even further the late 90s was even worse, guys were holding captain before even finishing ground school as an FO at some commuters.

I just find it ironic that we now have a minimum of 1500 hours and an ATP to be a 121 FO and a minimum of 1000 SIC to bid for upgrade and you are all predicting smoking holes in the ground when the situation was much worse not too long ago. It pays to have a little perspective when discussing these issues to avoid looking foolish.
You're making way too much sense now cut it out.
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Old 03-03-2015 | 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Dunkin
Its funny that some of you think you have just discovered some new threat to the industry and use PSA as your main example but I guess you guys haven't been around long enough to remember the not too distant past.

Anyone here employed at a regional back in 2006/2007? Upgrades were crazy low at a lot of places like CHQ/XJT/SKW. I have a buddy that upgraded at XJT with barely over 1500 total time and only 22 months on property and then flew around with 500 hr first officers for the next couple of years before the 08 recession hit. If you go back even further the late 90s was even worse, guys were holding captain before even finishing ground school as an FO at some commuters.

I just find it ironic that we now have a minimum of 1500 hours and an ATP to be a 121 FO and a minimum of 1000 SIC to bid for upgrade and you are all predicting smoking holes in the ground when the situation was much worse not too long ago. It pays to have a little perspective when discussing these issues to avoid looking foolish.
And what happened at the pinnacle of all that low time hiring? A smoking hole in the ground?
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Old 03-03-2015 | 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by PilotCrusader
And what happened at the pinnacle of all that low time hiring? A smoking hole in the ground?
Have there ever been smoking holes in the ground back the 2000s, 1990s, 1980s, 1970s, 1960s, 1950s, 1940s or 1930s?

The trend is that airlines get safer as time goes on but there will always be airplanes crashes. Predicting a smoking hole in the ground is like saying it is eventually going to rain and when it does you will be telling everyone how right you were all along.

My point is that if you are so worried about PSA why weren't you more worried about COEX back in 1998 or SkyWest back in 2006?
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Old 03-03-2015 | 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Dunkin
Have there ever been smoking holes in the ground back the 2000s, 1990s, 1980s, 1970s, 1960s, 1950s, 1940s or 1930s?

The trend is that airlines get safer as time goes on but there will always be airplanes crashes. Predicting a smoking hole in the ground is like saying it is eventually going to rain and when it does you will be telling everyone how right you were all along.

My point is that if you are so worried about PSA why weren't you more worried about COEX back in 1998 or SkyWest back in 2006?
I was very worried then as well.
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Old 03-03-2015 | 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by PilotCrusader
I was very worried then as well.
Perhaps direct your worry more towards car wrecks since those happen in much greater numbers than regional airplane crashes or just go about life worrying about minute possibilities.
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