The Useful PSA Thread
06-20-2015 | 05:05 PM
#5091
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I actually applaud you in that. It was a breath of fresh air to see and envoy and PSA pilot agreeing without petty name calling and what not. Wish every post from everyone could be that way.
06-20-2015 | 05:14 PM
#5092
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Your pilots are the ones that are complaining about this. It really doesn't matter to me either way.
Is it true that you are in long, drawn out arbitration with the company and they are not following the contract? Critical pay, for instance, and your whole trip-trading thing doesn't work as it is supposed to? Plus PSA breaks reserve rules and screwed over guys on reserve left and right?
Is it true that you are in long, drawn out arbitration with the company and they are not following the contract? Critical pay, for instance, and your whole trip-trading thing doesn't work as it is supposed to? Plus PSA breaks reserve rules and screwed over guys on reserve left and right?
06-20-2015 | 05:34 PM
#5094
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Those that think there are FO's bypassing upgrade simply to stick it to the company must be sniffing glue. The company has the contractual right to force upgrades, but they chose the less hostile route.
The DEC's are the result of a lack of eligible bidders. A month ago there were maybe 70 guys bypassing until they could hold a line, which for them isn't too far off and some of those are on the recent awards.
The DEC's are the result of a lack of eligible bidders. A month ago there were maybe 70 guys bypassing until they could hold a line, which for them isn't too far off and some of those are on the recent awards.
06-21-2015 | 01:03 AM
#5095
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From: and Hold
Dude seriously settle down on the theatrics. The very thing you are calling out, you are doing. The union rep you are talking about is just as surprised as any of us are with the company's recent betrayals. We came on here and shared it willingly too. Cujo sent out a base blast to his pilots immediately admonishing the act.
You guys try to act like the "good guys" but boy do you come a runnin when you smell blood.
You guys try to act like the "good guys" but boy do you come a runnin when you smell blood.
There is a difference between some random poster stirring the pot, and an actual rep acting irresponsibly on a public web board (numerous times). You can try and excuse his actions as being done "in the name of the Envoy pilots", but the picture is clear to me- from the onset of the TA's, through his ridiculous accusations regarding the ALPA letter, and finally with attempts to funnel all applicants to the supposed "promised land" at Envoy, it is apparent that he is over excited and you guys should put him back on his leash. Admittedly, I might have got caught up in the theatrics as well, but it is time for people to utilize more pragmatic and balanced discussion here, imo you have already started that here PC, and should be commended for it.
06-21-2015 | 08:24 AM
#5097
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From: CRJ 0B
Know that the majority of the pilots on property do not want DEC's. DEC's are a band-aid that is preventing the company from actually fixing the problems. Do not expect people to greet you warmly if you take a DEC slot.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but there are currently first officers that are "holding the line" and not upgrading because the company refuses to uphold the reserve rules that PSA has. You are sabotaging their efforts.
I spend quite a bit of time on PSA's jump seats and talk to them about this. They all seem to say the same thing. Of the couple dozen crews I have flown with on my way to work or back home, no one said that they agreed with the DEC's being hired.
Expect to be treated as such by the people that you are working with.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but there are currently first officers that are "holding the line" and not upgrading because the company refuses to uphold the reserve rules that PSA has. You are sabotaging their efforts.
I spend quite a bit of time on PSA's jump seats and talk to them about this. They all seem to say the same thing. Of the couple dozen crews I have flown with on my way to work or back home, no one said that they agreed with the DEC's being hired.
Expect to be treated as such by the people that you are working with.
Dang, now PSA pilots don't like PSA pilots
06-21-2015 | 08:44 AM
#5098
BlueYonder
Joined: Jul 2011
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Know that the majority of the pilots on property do not want DEC's. DEC's are a band-aid that is preventing the company from actually fixing the problems. Do not expect people to greet you warmly if you take a DEC slot.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but there are currently first officers that are "holding the line" and not upgrading because the company refuses to uphold the reserve rules that PSA has. You are sabotaging their efforts.
I spend quite a bit of time on PSA's jump seats and talk to them about this. They all seem to say the same thing. Of the couple dozen crews I have flown with on my way to work or back home, no one said that they agreed with the DEC's being hired.
Expect to be treated as such by the people that you are working with.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but there are currently first officers that are "holding the line" and not upgrading because the company refuses to uphold the reserve rules that PSA has. You are sabotaging their efforts.
I spend quite a bit of time on PSA's jump seats and talk to them about this. They all seem to say the same thing. Of the couple dozen crews I have flown with on my way to work or back home, no one said that they agreed with the DEC's being hired.
Expect to be treated as such by the people that you are working with.
As a current PSA FO flying the line, I can tell you that the FOs holding out for upgrade are holding out for QOL reasons. Simply not wanting to sit reserve. I have never heard/witnessed any negative attitudes/actions towards DEC Capts coming on board. Sure we don't like the idea, but the negative attitude is directed at the company for their lack of planning not the DEC new hire. In reality DEC means senior FOs upgrading won't have to sit reserve long.
Come on people this isn't high school, enough with the drama!
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