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Old 03-02-2016 | 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Waitingformins
The email said their union will screw the FO's just like they screwd Eagle a few years ago.
Agreed... Republic FO's got nothing following IBT's rejection of the FO pay LOA a couple years ago besides a loss of airframes, 2 more years of s#it pay. You've got to grab the cash when it's there. Huge difference between living on $32000 and $70-$100000.
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Old 03-02-2016 | 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by rickshaw
Agreed... Republic FO's got nothing following IBT's rejection of the FO pay LOA a couple years ago besides a loss of airframes, 2 more years of s#it pay. You've got to grab the cash when it's there. Huge difference between living on $32000 and $70-$100000.
Yes, but 2 years ago PSA was filling classes, taking airplanes, and upgrading. Now they are losing more pilots than they can hire, deferring deliveries and not upgrading. The playing field has changed.

Just think if Republic hadn't been trying to stay cheap and had raised pay to $40hr 2 years ago then they probably wouldn't be in bankruptcy today.
Endeavor has been giving 20-23k per year to every pilot on property for over a year now and I don't see them losing more pilots than they can hire.

AAG seems to think this flow is some kind of golden ticket that we are all fighting to get when its not. Its like a life preserver at a kiddie pool, sure it's nice that it's there, but we're pretty sure we won't need it.
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Old 03-02-2016 | 01:04 PM
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Results are out PSA MEC said no! Great Job guys!

The company will need to offer some real improvements if they are serious about solving the staffing issues.
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Old 03-02-2016 | 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by penaltybox
A hiring bonus is being discussed. They're going to have to do something seeing as most regionals pay a lot more.
It's been discussed it's now 15k for new hires. Special thanks to our union.
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Old 03-02-2016 | 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by SEPfield
Results are out PSA MEC said no! Great Job guys!

The company will need to offer some real improvements if they are serious about solving the staffing issues.
Are you mentally retarded?
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Old 03-02-2016 | 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by SEPfield
Results are out PSA MEC said no! Great Job guys!

The company will need to offer some real improvements if they are serious about solving the staffing issues.
So now with no agreement they unilaterally up the signing bonus to 10k, with 5k additional to people with prior 121 experience. Sounds pretty much like Envoy now as far as the new hire bonuses.

This is just the opening salvo. Years 2+ of longevity we still fall way behind our peers, so the bonus will lose it's attractiveness pretty quickly and another round of "negotiations" will take place.
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Old 03-02-2016 | 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Waitingformins
Are you mentally retarded?
Are you? Major improvements need to be made, not a simple bonus for only FO's. Now when this new sign on bonus fails the company will be more inclined to play ball.
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Old 03-02-2016 | 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by penaltybox
Are you? Major improvements need to be made, not a simple bonus for only FO's. Now when this new sign on bonus fails the company will be more inclined to play ball.
How many times in your career have you seen improvements like the ones you just saw? You have no idea what you think you are doing.
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Old 03-02-2016 | 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Waitingformins
How many times in your career have you seen improvements like the ones you just saw? You have no idea what you think you are doing.
How about the 10 or so regionals that ALL got pay raises (and not just for FOs) within the past 2 years. A retention bonus is a band aid, not a permanent fix. We need a permanent fix.
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Old 03-02-2016 | 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Waitingformins
How many times in your career have you seen improvements like the ones you just saw? You have no idea what you think you are doing.
Never, and thats the point. Theres never been a staffing issues of this magnitude during my career. This is the first time airline management has had to really struggle to fill seats. Why would we accept their first lowball offer?
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