You're implying new hire pilots are too stupid to figure out that after they get their bonus for the first year that they will still be at one of the lowest paid airlines their second year. Giving the pilots on property more money and a better contract is exactly what is need to attract new hires.

Most new hire pilots realize that once they are with an airline it is difficult to make a lateral move so they do their homework. They know that if they come to PSA they will get a 10k bonus (maybe 15) and the next year they will still be making less than first year at Endeavor or republic. They know that there is no more quick upgrade at PSA.

The biggest incentive to new hire pilots are; Bases, Pay, and Career progression, not necessarily in that order.

Bases: PSA has 1 commutable and nothing west of TYS, that eliminates nearly 2/3 of the country.
Career Progression: 4 upgrades so far this year, means you will not upgrade in 2 years at PSA. (probably not 3)
Pay: One of the lowest paying regionals with one of the worst contracts.

Any new hire pilot that does even a little bit of homework will realize that a 10k bonus is not worth 3 years of 2 leg commutes, inefficient lines, bullying schedulers, and low pay.

 

Ok I'll ask you again. What leverage do we have and how do we use it to get better pay for captains and current FOs without the company just giving money to new hires. They can do that with out touching our contract.

 

Actually I believe it has been 42. That class of thirty started in Jan rather than dec. then we had a class of 8 and then 4.

 

The class of 30 and the class of 8 were primarily to award Captain Positions to DECs. I'm a DEC and was awarded on the 30 list, the junior guy in my class and the last class of DECs were all on the 8 list. Check the award to see how many awarded were listed as "New Hire"

They had to make such big awards big awards in order to get the seniority low enough to pick up all the DECs. They didn't hire all us DECs based on staffing needs, but rather because they were trying to get as many Captains on property as possible before the 1 Jan snapshot for flow, and thats why we are somewhat overstaffed on Captains now.

Which is another trick they pulled. Envoys flow agreement was effective on the Date of Signing, PSAs was several months in the future.

 

Thank god for trip rigs right? Oh wait

 

This has been answered maybe 3 times. Call me an idiot but I think the only leverage pilots have and ever will have is labor. And during a pilot shortage I am shocked that you don't think you have leverage.

 

Yeah but they aren't "active captains" until completing OE. So they will count towards the net 62.

 

Jesus you're a DEC and you're trying to talk to me about what brings people in the door? Can't make this **** up. You came here knowing the contract and it clearly must have been better than where you came from. You got a free captain position from PSAs growth and have the nerve to ask for more?

 

Picketing is stupid, nobody gives a crap. It's a complete waste of your time not to mention its embarrassing.

 

During a shortage pilots do have leverage. Pilots about to join the regionals have a ton of leverage. Pilots currently already doing the job do not. If I was wrong all of our current pilots would be leaving for higher paying places but they are not.