PSA info
09-14-2016, 04:27 AM
#3923
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Joined APC: Sep 2014
Posts: 480
PSA just went to a 12/2 pay cap.
For people considering coming here, understand this. You will receive 38.50 your first year, with a 15,000 bonus. Your second year your pay rate will go to 40.28, but you will have no retention bonus, essentially taking a 10,000 pay cut. Oh and the 40.28 pay rate is also for 2nd, 3rd, and 4th year rates. Then you upgrade at some point, and you will receive no retention bonus cause it's for CAs at the time of this agreement.
This was a kick in the nuts for 3rd year FOs. Even with the retention bonus new hires will make more, and now 2nd year guys will be at the same pay rate as them.
For people considering coming here, understand this. You will receive 38.50 your first year, with a 15,000 bonus. Your second year your pay rate will go to 40.28, but you will have no retention bonus, essentially taking a 10,000 pay cut. Oh and the 40.28 pay rate is also for 2nd, 3rd, and 4th year rates. Then you upgrade at some point, and you will receive no retention bonus cause it's for CAs at the time of this agreement.
This was a kick in the nuts for 3rd year FOs. Even with the retention bonus new hires will make more, and now 2nd year guys will be at the same pay rate as them.
09-14-2016, 04:29 AM
#3924
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jan 2015
Posts: 44
Originally Posted by ProverseYaw
Current upgrade is at July 2014 (3yr pay). Yes they do not get a lot more in this TA but as you pointed out they can upgrade soon which is a big increase, especially since they will be line holders right away.
I know some want to find the negative in anything but this really is a win-win. AAG needs to attract more pilots to their regionals, and they're paying for it. New pilots get enticed with higher pay and current pilots get more money than they signed up for without loosing anything.
Yes AAG is making record profits, yes they can afford to pay us more, and yes we deserve more. But this is money for nothing! Cmon, if only the chicks were free...
I know some want to find the negative in anything but this really is a win-win. AAG needs to attract more pilots to their regionals, and they're paying for it. New pilots get enticed with higher pay and current pilots get more money than they signed up for without loosing anything.
Yes AAG is making record profits, yes they can afford to pay us more, and yes we deserve more. But this is money for nothing! Cmon, if only the chicks were free...
09-14-2016, 04:30 AM
#3925
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Joined APC: Feb 2014
Posts: 742
Originally Posted by Belizepilot
Make no mistake, this is a joke guys. If you think otherwise then you're part of the problem. This is and has always been about getting guys in the door for year one only. It does nothing for current Fo's on property, as this essentially turns into a two year FO pay scale. It also does nothing for Captains either, they might walk away with an extra $3-4K. Basically what you're looking at is AA nickel and diming us once again. They opted to do the minimum necessary and only affect the initial new hires yet again. Every MEC union should reject this LOA and stand united for a real change, not this BS.
This "offer" is simply more "gimmickry", courtesy of AAG. It's more TEMPORARY dressing on a widening wound. FIX THE DAMNED PAYSCALES!! Enough with the bandaids!
Imagine this: The MECs (all three) say "no". Then what? Do you think that AAG will simply say, "Well alright! We're just going to keep things the way that they are and hope we can continue to attract (and retain) pilots."???? Hell no!! AAG NEEDS this deal more than WE do! THEY need to attract new pilots!!! We are simply putting in our time until we get the next call.
The point is this: We would *LIKE* more pay but they *NEED* to attract more pilots. They can (and would have) done better,..... if we would have MADE them do better.
09-14-2016, 04:34 AM
#3926
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Joined APC: Feb 2014
Posts: 354
Originally Posted by Slick111
^^^^^^ Here's a guy who gets it! ^^^^^^^^^^
This "offer" is simply more "gimmickry", courtesy of AAG. It's more TEMPORARY dressing on a widening wound. FIX THE DAMNED PAYSCALES!! Enough with the bandaids!
Imagine this: The MECs (all three) say "no". Then what? Do you think that AAG will simply say, "Well alright! We're just going to keep things the way that they are and hope we can continue to attract (and retain) pilots."???? Hell no!! AAG NEEDS this deal more than WE do! THEY need to attract new pilots!!! We are simply putting in our time until we get the next call.
The point is this: We would *LIKE* more pay but they *NEED* to attract more pilots. They can (and would have) done better,..... if we would have MADE them do better.
This "offer" is simply more "gimmickry", courtesy of AAG. It's more TEMPORARY dressing on a widening wound. FIX THE DAMNED PAYSCALES!! Enough with the bandaids!
Imagine this: The MECs (all three) say "no". Then what? Do you think that AAG will simply say, "Well alright! We're just going to keep things the way that they are and hope we can continue to attract (and retain) pilots."???? Hell no!! AAG NEEDS this deal more than WE do! THEY need to attract new pilots!!! We are simply putting in our time until we get the next call.
The point is this: We would *LIKE* more pay but they *NEED* to attract more pilots. They can (and would have) done better,..... if we would have MADE them do better.
09-14-2016, 04:35 AM
#3927
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Joined APC: Aug 2014
Position: CR9 CA, FT Minivan Driver
Posts: 452
Originally Posted by Slick111
^^^^^^ Here's a guy who gets it! ^^^^^^^^^^
This "offer" is simply more "gimmickry", courtesy of AAG. It's more TEMPORARY dressing on a widening wound. FIX THE DAMNED PAYSCALES!! Enough with the bandaids!
Imagine this: The MECs (all three) say "no". Then what? Do you think that AAG will simply say, "Well alright! We're just going to keep things the way that they are and hope we can continue to attract (and retain) pilots."???? Hell no!! AAG NEEDS this deal more than WE do! THEY need to attract new pilots!!! We are simply putting in our time until we get the next call.
The point is this: We would *LIKE* more pay but they *NEED* to attract more pilots. They can (and would have) done better,..... if we would have MADE them do better.
This "offer" is simply more "gimmickry", courtesy of AAG. It's more TEMPORARY dressing on a widening wound. FIX THE DAMNED PAYSCALES!! Enough with the bandaids!
Imagine this: The MECs (all three) say "no". Then what? Do you think that AAG will simply say, "Well alright! We're just going to keep things the way that they are and hope we can continue to attract (and retain) pilots."???? Hell no!! AAG NEEDS this deal more than WE do! THEY need to attract new pilots!!! We are simply putting in our time until we get the next call.
The point is this: We would *LIKE* more pay but they *NEED* to attract more pilots. They can (and would have) done better,..... if we would have MADE them do better.
09-14-2016, 04:40 AM
#3929
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Joined APC: Feb 2014
Posts: 742
Originally Posted by VoiceOfReason
Man, the harsh realities here almost make me empathize with you. Truth is, we all sleep in the bed we make. I'm sure your day will come...just not sure today is that day. Enjoy the bump in pay while you wait for your call to the big show!
09-14-2016, 04:51 AM
#3930
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Joined APC: Aug 2014
Position: CR9 CA, FT Minivan Driver
Posts: 452
Originally Posted by Slick111
It's not just about me, (and you). It's about improving things for the generation that follow us. We expect that from Mainline pilots. Why do we not hold ourselves to the same standard?
Much the way a guy works his way up through the minor leagues, I'm taking my cuts and keep swinging for the fences. Apps are out, networking is being done, and I'll be ready. You guys just have to wait it out...I respect that, but I'm also not holding my breath for 5, 6, 10 years for my spot in line to open up.
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