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Old 02-04-2010 | 08:30 PM
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I'm not sure how large the fleet size needs to be in order to be cost efficient. Maybe the planes were efficient but not profitable once you look at the moved MX crews etc. I wonder if BB could have secured more Qs if he would have changed his mind? I've always wanted to fly one of those things.
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Old 02-04-2010 | 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Yabadaba
Lynx is profitable... and efficient regional feed is crucial to winning Denver. Sadly (for us) Bedford thinks his empire is better off with an all jet fleet. Bedford spoke to us about "people" wanting jets and not props right after the auction so we saw it coming. Guess he will see how "people" like getting bumped in the summer.

All emotions aside... and seeing what Ejets and Q's both do... it is a BAD decision. They might find a way to get into ASE with an Ejet... but sure as hell not with ME in it.

To parrot what another poster said, thanks to all the folks at Lynx and Frontier for the memories. The mainline crews have always been professional and respectful. I have never seen any of that my airplane is bigger than your airplane attitude. I have had a blast flying the Q with a great group of people... good luck to everyone.

Cheers.
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Old 02-04-2010 | 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Yabadaba
Lynx is profitable... and efficient regional feed is crucial to winning Denver. Sadly (for us) Bedford thinks his empire is better off with an all jet fleet. Bedford spoke to us about "people" wanting jets and not props right after the auction so we saw it coming. Guess he will see how "people" like getting bumped in the summer.

All emotions aside... and seeing what Ejets and Q's both do... it is a BAD decision. They might find a way to get into ASE with an Ejet... but sure as hell not with ME in it.

To parrot what another poster said, thanks to all the folks at Lynx and Frontier for the memories. The mainline crews have always been professional and respectful. I have never seen any of that my airplane is bigger than your airplane attitude. I have had a blast flying the Q with a great group of people... good luck to everyone.

Cheers.
Pleasure flying with you too, Yabadaba...
Good luck to all the Lynx bubbas.
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Old 02-04-2010 | 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by ToiletDuck
I'm not sure how large the fleet size needs to be in order to be cost efficient. Maybe the planes were efficient but not profitable once you look at the moved MX crews etc. I wonder if BB could have secured more Qs if he would have changed his mind? I've always wanted to fly one of those things.
Not really a direct comparison. But myself (and others) have heard it straight from out flight op's DO. There's also a particular SKW guy on here (who's word I consider valid) heard the SAME thing from their management. But for a company the size of XJT or SKW, the amount of airframes needed when taking on a NEW type had to be in the mid to high 20's to make it cost effective. Again, that's just what our FO DO has told us, and what a SKW guy on here said their management told them.

Of course we could go round and round all day on the variables factored in, just sayin'.

And yeah, assuming the pay was good, I'd fly one also. From the times I've JS'd on it, it's more sophisticated than the WSCOD and reminded more of the 328 as far as capability goes. Nice and quiet also.
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Old 02-04-2010 | 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by ToiletDuck
I'm not sure how large the fleet size needs to be in order to be cost efficient. Maybe the planes were efficient but not profitable once you look at the moved MX crews etc. I wonder if BB could have secured more Qs if he would have changed his mind? I've always wanted to fly one of those things.
Lynx CEO told me we were profitable when we had 10 airplanes and fuel was 90. Course yield has dropped but loads got better since... who knows. Lynx mechanics have always done our MX and we outsourced our C-checks. The F9 MX didn't/wouldn't affect us. Bedford is worried about the price of fuel... but replaces us with E170's budgeted for 45% more fuel burn over the same routes? He bought a successful airline for cheap... and we were the free kittens thrown in with the deal.

They did try to pimp us out... just hard to find anyone looking for more capacity right now.

The plane IS fun to fly. I will miss all the power and responsiveness of those engines... without a doubt.
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Old 02-04-2010 | 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Yabadaba
Lynx CEO told me we were profitable when we had 10 airplanes and fuel was 90. Course yield has dropped but loads got better since... who knows. Lynx mechanics have always done our MX and we outsourced our C-checks. The F9 MX didn't/wouldn't affect us. Bedford is worried about the price of fuel... but replaces us with E170's budgeted for 45% more fuel burn over the same routes? He bought a successful airline for cheap... and we were the free kittens thrown in with the deal.

They did try to pimp us out... just hard to find anyone looking for more capacity right now.

The plane IS fun to fly. I will miss all the power and responsiveness of those engines... without a doubt.
Just hypotheticals here, but you'd think with that planes capability, it's efficiency when used properly, etc, that even if BB didn't want them on property that the certificate would be worth a pretty penny. Of course, that could go ANY direction on how good that would be for the employees.
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Old 02-04-2010 | 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by dojetdriver
Not really a direct comparison. But myself (and others) have heard it straight from out flight op's DO. There's also a particular SKW guy on here (who's word I consider valid) heard the SAME thing from their management. But for a company the size of XJT or SKW, the amount of airframes needed when taking on a NEW type had to be in the mid to high 20's to make it cost effective. Again, that's just what our FO DO has told us, and what a SKW guy on here said their management told them.

Of course we could go round and round all day on the variables factored in, just sayin'.

And yeah, assuming the pay was good, I'd fly one also. From the times I've JS'd on it, it's more sophisticated than the WSCOD and reminded more of the 328 as far as capability goes. Nice and quiet also.
Sounds like good intel to me. So once again I wonder if Colgan holding all the options on future aircraft had anything to do with. Also their posting for new positions.
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Old 02-04-2010 | 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by dojetdriver
Just hypotheticals here, but you'd think with that planes capability, it's efficiency when used properly, etc, that even if BB didn't want them on property that the certificate would be worth a pretty penny. Of course, that could go ANY direction on how good that would be for the employees.
Yeah, heard whispers of being for sale for a while. Market is so poor right now not many have extra cash... but also would Bedford sell to anyone (ie competition... he's lost a lot of friends recently!). If fuel was high but everyones cash wasn't already depleted by a recession, who knows.

Curious to see who is buying the planes... not for speculation... but for real.
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Old 02-04-2010 | 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyCochran
What I find that is interesting is that regardless of the airplanes, integration will happen and seniority will fall where it lies.

They are replacing all these aircraft with larger embraer products, which may improve the QOL for some of these crews.

Once they finally get back which may be a while, they'll have access to new routes, longer legs, more productivity, which equals more days off and a better schedule.

Not too mention, even though f/o and captain pay is still low at Republic on the 145/170/190 I believe each one of the pilots who will be stuck in their respective seats will receive HIGHER pay.....

What a concept, actually add more planes that will yield higher AVERAGE INCOME for ALL PILOTS AT RAH....

Many people loved the Q as its great, but Mergers/Acquisitions suck and this is still a gain for the company.

For all the haters, i guess maybe since the Q is much more efficient RAH will be out of business in a few years and you can hate some more.....sorry to the Lynx guys, but this will be better for all in the LONG RUN...IF RAH survives
Really, does the same hold true for the Midwest pilots?

For many of us at Lynx this was a great flying opportunity in Denver. Nobody wants to blame the RAH pilots for BB's doing, but this has been a big windfall for you. All Midwest flying now done by RAH pilots, and right on the heals of that, all Lynx flying supporting F9 soon to be done by recalled RAH pilots.

I have a feeling it wont stop with us.
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Old 02-04-2010 | 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by ToiletDuck
Sounds like good intel to me. So once again I wonder if Colgan holding all the options on future aircraft had anything to do with. Also their posting for new positions.
Right after the auction Bedford cancelled the delivery of our 12th plane that was to be delivered this month. Current customers have access to these cancelled orders that happen once in a while. That plane was cancelled in October and is now being test flown but is still registered to Lynx... in other words nobody has spoken for it. The deposit was already put down a year earlier by F9 and became a gift to Bombardier. There are used Q's on the market that have been for sale for a year (Jeju). He doesn't like or want props so thats it.

Obviously the more planes you have the easier it is to show a profit. But there is a lot of variables to consider to come up with the magic # of airframes. Fee for departure contracts would probably need a bigger #.
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