It is on the NMB to offer arbitration to both parties but either side can proactively petition the NMB to extend the offer.

Good to know. It this point the NMB is basically another company representative. They eat out of the company’s hand. You want them to proffer arbitration so you can then say no and get to a cooling off period. They say GFYS, and ice for years because the Alaska/Virgin arbitration states pay is based on size of the carrier. You (Spirit) are smaller than that so you deserve bottom pay. It’s bananas!!!

Yeah, I was confused, too. Good luck to you guys! We all certainly deserve much, much more.

I agree it’s BS how the NMB looks at things but understanding it is key to knowing the path forward. The nmb belives in economics of scale meaning lots of airframes charging high prices means higher pay for employees. In the case of Frontier and Spirit they have much lower base ticket rates and pay all employees lower. This is the whole premise of a ULCC. I’m not trying to be an ass but if you are sticking around hoping for the golden goose to lay its eggs at Spirit or Frontier you will be very disappointed. Stop talking and vote with your feet period.

You must have missed the results of the vote, it was unanimous. Everyone thinks you should GFY, Beans.

Frontier can't use your delusional premise when they buy jet fuel, rent gates, buy aircraft or pay pilots. I know you wish that would work with the pilots but it won't. We will wave to you from the street.
GFY Beans!

His argument is complete and utter union busting vomit. Frontier affording a pilot contract has nothing to do with individual ticket price. It has everything to do with overall profitability of the entire operation. As anyone with a brain knows (not Beans), we more than make up for low ticket prices by cramming as many seats in the airplane as is legal, ancillary fees, as well as utilizing the aircraft around the clock! Beans, the vote was unanimous; GFY!

So riddle me this Beans, or anyone else who can answer this, in regard to the logic of the Alaska arbitration award and saying that wages are dictated by the size of the airline. Because I really think I might be missing something here. Let's assume Frontier has a CASM of 5 cents a mile and a RASM of 10. And Delta has a CASM of 10 and RASM of 15. The spread of both of them is 5. Doesn't that mean that the two pilot groups are bargaining from a similar economic position regardless of the size of the carrier?

You are obviously a company lackey trying to lower the expectations of the Frontier and Spirit pilots. Please remember that per Frontier's SEC documents relating to the IPO, Barry Biffle's salary exceeds that of Southwest Airline's CEO.

So your statement that all employees of a ULCC must be paid less than their larger peers is simply not true.

Regarding executive salary, Frontier is on par with Southwest Airlines. Tell me why it shouldn't be the same with the pilots.

Also remember, there was a time not that long ago when the ULCC model did not exist. But there was a company with an LCC business model called Southwest Airlines.

Even though SWA was smaller than their legacy airline peers and charged a much lower ticket fee, they were able to pay their pilots a wage that exceeded their much larger traditional counterparts.

Beans, your logic is flawed.

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