That doesn't even make sense. The contract of $38.50 and hour was negotiated by and aided by ALPA National, ALPA lawyers, ALPA financial analysis departments, approved by an ALPA MEC and approved by ALPA pilots. If you feel it to be a disgrace, it would solely be a disgrace to ALPA, by ALPA.

I agree that first year pay is too low. And on the next contract, I would expect to see that number higher for first year. Some would argue that the company needs to raise that number on their own, to attract higher quality candidates when Legacy carriers start hiring more and the promise of a "quick upgrade" is gone from Spirit. Some would argue that, if necessary, the negotiating committee needs to raise the pay regardless of what the company intends to do with it. I simply feel it needs to be addressed, regardless, and it needs to be raised. Some may not care about those who are not on property yet, I feel it is the right thing to help lay a better path for those who come after us. Easy to say "pay your dues," sounds like a poor excuse to me. With the exception of a few lucky Riddle pilots, every pilot on the Spirit list has paid their dues in this career, one way or another.

If the same guys negotiate the next contract, that doesnt mean that things will remain the same. The make up of the pilot group is different now. When we reach a new TA, whenever that will be, pilots hired after 2010 will be in the majority and they will be the ones with the largest voice and influence with the next contract. I do not know if many of the senior pilots here realize that, but it is a fact. This next contract will need to be constructed to address many of the issues that mid level seniority pilots deal with in order for any TA to pass. A "B scale" isnt going to pass this time. Maybe many of these post 2010 hires will remember how much first year pay sucks and wont vote for a contract that doesnt address that.

Im betting $50 that you're a FLL pilot? Am I correct with this assumption?

First year pay should go up. How much? I don't know. It won't be the top 5 or so things on the list to negotiate I hope. People don't leave here because of the first year pay. I'd argue FO pay in years 2,3 and 4 being raised to match Delta would do more to attract and keep people here than adjusting first year pay. But yes, $38.50/hr is a joke.

I don't know. Spirit at the moment is not having trouble finding good qualified pilots so I doubt it is high on the priority list.

Food for thought: How many Spirit pilots are forced to pick up a lot of extra flying in their first year just to make ends meet? When all the first year guys are sitting on flica like birds of prey, it makes it more difficult for the rest of the pilots to pick up open trips and make more $$. Is it possible that raising first year pay may actually increase the average yearly compensation of first officers beyond 1st year pay?

Unless you plan on picking up time (not swapping, but pickups on off days), you won't be making 90 hours until you bid top 20% or better to hold transition conflicts.

As a family man and a commuter, I end up pretty close to guarantee each month.

Those curious about junior bases and line holding: there's so much movement and hiring now that it's hard to predict on the FO side. I held a line in FLL first month, relief in DTW the second month, relief in ORD the third month, and relief in DFW the fourth month. My friends that made it to LAS spent 6 months or so on reserve. Your mileage will vary.

What's the latest on hiring? Have not heard much on that subject in awhile.

Yeah first year pay sucks!! You can thank your union for only being able to credit your line value.. You name it, red/green, JRM police, or 29 hour enforcement.. All of it has prevented making more money.. I grossed 45k my first year in 2012 as a commuter and I hustled... All of that came to a screaching hault in November, 2012.. Thanks union!

May had 16 new hires. Word is there will be 16 more in June, 20 in July, then 22 a month through years end.

I'm sure I'll be asking the same question a year from now!!! Been trying to get hired for the past year and a half! Don't know the secret handshake!

Red/green and the 29 hour cap lay solely at the feet of management. Your frustration is misdirected if you blame the union for those issues. Unless of course you attribute the red/green fiasco to the removal of certain management pilots from our seniority list. That had to happen by the way.

That's the response I always hear from the union..still waiting for the proof to back it up. Still waiting on the 150% to come back as well, which I was told by our national all star that it would happen in Dec 2012..