No. you may want to rethink your attitude. He's very right with his statement. When did you get hired at F9? First year pay here is an embarrassment even the one proposed by the MEC for LOA 67. This is supposed to be a professional job not a first gig place. Expect to be compensated accordingly.

That's unbelievable. Why are people even applying there? They are filling classes? A 2 year training contract, no hotel in training and freakin 38/hr 1st year pay. What the hell is going on there that management thinks this is acceptable?

I think people are probably applying everywhere trying to move up. You come here if no one else calls you. Like I have said in the past, it is better to be flying a bus and your own schedule than someone else's in an RJ when the music stops.

It does suck that this management wants to play like this. F9 should be a great place to work not a stepping stone.

This is an unfortunate reality for many of the new hires. A lot of us saw the immediate need to jump ship from the regionals and frontier happened to be the first place that offered a class date. Trust me, you'd have to be a real douche to shill for frontier like some of the guys on here. I'm ashamed to fly any of our fleet for our rates and junk contract but flying a packed 321 across the country for the laughable rates is truly embarrassing. I don't blame anyone for wanting to grab a quick type rating but to want to stay with what is going on here is poor judgment in my opinion.

I have an interview 9/9, no job fair, no internals.

5700TT
2000 TPIC
RJ CA

Hard to try and make the finances work.

Guy still on 1st year pay yet about to get a raise.

My $0.02...

Making the jump to F9 was my best option I had. I was at a regional and had been there for about 2 years (military prior). Had my stuff out at all the majors, Spirit, Virgin, etc. Not a sniff. F9 was the first and only interest I received to date.

Now here, Frontier is a better place for me. First year pay here is better than 2nd year pay at XJT (when I was there) and will only get better. And, my upgrade chances are probably a couple of years faster. The hotels are actually worse as is parts of the contract. But, I knew that going in. Had I been some 15+ year CA there, making the jump probably wouldn't have made sense.

To me, arguing back and forth about coming here or not is senseless as it's case by case.

The one issue we should ALL agree on, whether your here or not, is that the pay is outdated. As this industry is just one big game of leap frog, it's now our turn to jump and since there's no way any of us will accept concessions, it's only going to get better.

Instead of bickering, we should all be united...

Excellent!

I would recommend calling Scott at 720-841-0330 or Lisette at 213-221-5393. They each run crash pads that have private rooms. Crashpad 411 has some more traditional bunk bed crash pads. I think the extra money for a private room is worth it considering you're in training and not just sitting reserve. You will need a car, or a friend with one, though. Good luck and welcome aboard.

Curious to know, has anyone pressed-to-test on the contract yet? Have folks left before the contract was up, and with what result? Has the company gone after anyone? Have they had to, or have folks willingly ponied up? Is the contract pro-rated (every month, say, reduces the amount by 1/24th)?

Indeed--that's the part that's always puzzled me about the training contract concept....

The first bolded part answers the question you ask in the second bolded part....

Until they have trouble filling classes all the talk of training contract, and low first year pay are pretty much irrelevant as they have no incentive to make improvements on these things