I might have to eat my words... I went and looked up the FAA definition of Flight time;

"Flight time means:

(1) Pilot time that commences when an aircraft moves under its own power for the purpose of flight and ends when the aircraft comes to rest after landing; or

(2) For a glider without self-launch capability, pilot time that commences when the glider is towed for the purpose of flight and ends when the glider comes to rest after landing."

Until they start tracking the fifth OOOI, I'd say you have no way to determine when the aircraft has moved under its own power so logging block time would be appropriate.

Once they start tracking the fifth OOOI, I'd say that you might be obligated to only log from forward movement, as that seems to also match the FAR Part 1 definition.

Seems like that COULD slow guys logging time in NYC towards the upgrade (assuming people were to actually adjust their flight time logging to comply with that definition)

We've been logging it the old way for awhile now and no one has batted an eyelash. Some guys could log one way or the other. Or someone might just roll the plane forward a bit and then reset the brake lol. This could go a lot of ways.

I noticed on 18-02 they didn't award any 900 CA positions to people with the reduced qualifications (less than 1000 121 time), they all went 200 CA. Is that a coincidence? Hard to know how they all bid but seemed a little odd to me.

Still lose out on all the time at the gate after door close* and during the pushback and disconnect...5 mins* and about 4 minutes respectively.

*PS I think the company is off their rocker expecting this time to go down from 5 minutes to 1.

If they are willing to make the block out time strictly based on door closed (and not also brake drop to get the pay clock started) I could easily meet that 1 minute target 95% of the time. But I'm not about to take a ton of delays and miss out on lots of pay each month to do it.

Latency (the thing they want to get down to 1-2 minutes) is the time from brake release to rearward, not forward, wheel movement.

When push crews stop wandering off to throw bags on other aircraft as soon as our cargo door closes and we block out....I'll start caring about latency

I thought that was dwell time, latency was once push back is complete and until the aircraft moves for taxi

Other way around, Dwell is pushback complete to taxi.


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