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Icedeemon , 10-21-2016 01:41 PM

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Just an added note to the PS adjustment...

The LOA does make the PS contractual so they cannot change it any further until the CBA. If it gets voted down, the potential for it to change further is still at the company's discretion.

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170Homie , 10-21-2016 01:55 PM

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I agree. Been trying forever to get a call from Blue. Got all the quals. No dice. I've been on the UA xpress side for a while and seen it from the inside out. Talk about a company that just doesn't give a $#!+. No thanks. Pays good but not everything. Wanna be happy and proud to go to work. Maybe I should start trying job fairs.

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tmckeon79 , 10-21-2016 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by cmesoar

This is the way I see it, we are NOT voting on PS on this LOA. Period. That decision was made by the company regardless of this vote. We are voting on a few extra premium days and a raise. I have faith in our NC. I believe they will present us with a fair CBA to vote on when the time comes. We can have an entire new thread to talk about it! This 8% will be a thing of the past. I'd say lets take the money and keep negotiating. My YES vote is in.

How do we vote on this? I saw an email that said a vote was forthcoming but I must have missed the email with voting instructions.

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Flyby1206 , 10-21-2016 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by tmckeon79

How do we vote on this? I saw an email that said a vote was forthcoming but I must have missed the email with voting instructions.

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hyperboy , 10-21-2016 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by P-3Bubba

AND CaptCool

We have a choice. That's this vote. We say as a group to NO/ZERO compensatory manipulation from management UNTIL we have a CBA. The Union and MEC is wrong to advise us that we should take this money. It will be a quid pro quo when the CBA and compensation is hashed out. Especially in regards to back-pay. We are essentially signing a 2017 PEA with this LOA. Just like in 2013 when we all saw the roses on the 13% raise but the bud fell off our premium trigger. Take some and you lose some.

TXBus is saying that jetblue is a joke. The Union vote was supposed to increase our relevance as a pilot group vying for A320 and Major Airline wages. This further supports the NO argument as complete solidarity against management until we have a CBA. If this LOA passes (and it will) the company knows our first TA will pass. So they'll make up a $hit sandwich and serve it up with no retro pay, no international rates, no healthcare changes and maybe a 8% no match 401k in their newly negotiated low cost Empower Financial account of their choosing. (BTW, 8% is the 5% they already match plus the 3% profit share you just lost= COST NUETRAL)

I agree that you can find a percentage of new hire pilots that would be less attractive to the Legacy carriers. But, that's their decision. I'm not sure how we resolve that situation, nor do I see it as a positive or negative game changer to the company.

ALPA has the slogan "Contract Above All". I see this LOA appeasement as a compromise to their own slogan.

-Bubs

Or does it upset you that we got 8% during negotiations without a CBA? Thats almost unheard of to get something during section 6? Oh well never happy is the choice I guess.

I guess 14 in a row against Army on the football is not good enough either?

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Rock177 , 10-21-2016 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by txbusdriver

Because up until now it didn't make sense for me to leave. Top 20% in the company, less than 20 years to go....

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Originally Posted by say again

Well, all legacies are in a hiring quite a bit. Now is your chance to get out and get on with a real airline, before it's too late

No, actually now is our time to secure near top-of-industry provisions in pay, work rules, job protection, vacation, sick bank, healthcare, retirement and profit sharing in exchange for the industry leading operating margin, cost structure and utilization rate we have provided this company.

Don't beat the guy up for calling it how it's becoming. Dissent can be good and you should consider how your "don't rock the boat, just happy to be here" attitude is being used against you.

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hyperboy , 10-21-2016 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by cmesoar

This is exactly the way I feel too. I have spoke with many as well and feel this way too! OUR NC is top notch.

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Southerner , 10-22-2016 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Std Deviation

Pilots hired in Nov 2014 and after don't even have PEAs. We have a verbal non-binding "we will abide" by the aforementioned PEA but there's nothing in writing. They could decide to pay us $10 an hour and we have no legal recourse.

You will after this LOA passes, right?

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Flyby1206 , 10-22-2016 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Southerner

You will after this LOA passes, right?

I'd assume those without PEAs would just receive the raise (assuming it is voted in) and wouldn't be given anything to sign.

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Southerner , 10-22-2016 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Flyby1206

I'd assume those without PEAs would just receive the raise (assuming it is voted in) and wouldn't be given anything to sign.

Interesting. They will require the non-2013 PEA folks to sign the 2013 agreement to get the raise. I wonder if they will offer the same to those guys?

I think the LOA will pass easily.