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Been out with the flu...
I NEVER said we make too much money. I’m merely a student of human behavior. I pontificate on my observations. I don’t see a group of doctors at Baylor shouting that the docs at Parkland make more. A group of accountants at Deloitte squawking that those dogs over at Ernst and Young are getting bigger profit sharing. Different companies. Apples to Oranges. Like JB and Delta. How many pilots does Delta have again? Aircraft? It seems everyone hired here prior to 3 years ago willingly came to work for a non union carrier, no?
How many pilots Delta has and what type of airplanes they fly is immaterial. I don't care what the doctors at Baylor or Parkland make, I'm not a doctor. I don't care what the accountants at Deloitte or Ernst and Young make, I'm not an accountant. I want my slice of the jetblue revenue pie and federal law allows us to negotiate for it. Don't obfuscate the issue.
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I find the concept “industry average” laughable. Unless you’re a socialist. Do our flight attendants, rampers, and dispatchers get industry average? How about our CEO? Does he get it? Okay, so only the pilots should get it? Because we pay “industry average” for gates and fuel. Uh, okay.
Your misrepresenting our argument. jetblue has to negotiate with vendors for fuel, gates, aircraft, etc. Federal law allows us to negotiate with the company for our piece of the jetblue revenue pie as well. That's not "socialism", that's capitalism.
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I said we’re going to end up right in the middle. Between “industry average” and where we are now. I asked if we’re willing to burn the house down for $20K.
I can't speak for other jetblue pilots, but yes I absolutely am. This company has "stolen" hundreds of thousands of dollars from my family thru 3A and other business "efficiencies" that they have unilaterally imposed on us. And no, they didn't disclose to me in the interview, that I willingly applied for, that Jetblue had no intention of managing with INTEGRITY. They only told me that I had to demonstrate INTEGRITY...should have know that was a one-way street.
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I'm a reasonable middle of the road guy that’s actually signed the front of a paycheck and not the back.
You sound like reasonable middle management at Jetblue. Glad you had the opportunity to sign the front of the check, I could ****ing care less. My message....FUPM.
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So let me paraphrase, “we want more money because the guys over there get more money even though our companies are totally different and we were fully cognizant of the pay at the time but damn my Delta neighbor got a new boat with his profit sharing so I want what he has.”
Same bull**** arguments made during the drive and you guys are going to get the same result. We want to negotiate a fair labor contract that befits our status as front-line managers for jetblue with a highly specific and technical skill-set that is in high-demand across the globe. When the cost of fuel goes up because airlines want more of it, jetblue has to pay more for fuel. I want my piece of the Jetblue revenue pie and you know what...it's gonna cost jetblue more. FUPM.
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So welfare then? We want a handout? Have this conversation with someone outside of aviation and watch their head explode.
Again, NEVER EVER Said we were overpaid.
Not a Glover or a juicer. Watching the rhetoric on both sides and along for the ride.
Don't want a handout. I want a proper and fairly negotiated contract that compensates me for the revenue production that I generate when I fly jetblue passengers safely and comfortably. If you can't comprehend this viewpoint, too bad...FUPM.