Yeah, they are really nice!


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I'm putting my concern with the EFB's on the back burner for the moment.

Apparently TG wants the clock to start with wheel movement and SAPA is listening to the company, like they always do.

If this happens, we are giving back at least 5% of the industry misleading TA we just got!

 

Where is that coming from? I don't buy it for a second. We would be late 100% of the time and our "reliability" is gone.

Edit-just found it. For more see MM comments on sapa. It looks like that's for block calculations only and not pay.

 

Exactly. 1-2-3 was complicated, cheap and mandatory.

 

It's not really TG, united is implementing a new auto park gate system with the added bonus that it will track our wheel movement so they want time out to be that rather than break drop. I'm sure many delays will follow and Skywest will contest them with the delay code system, United will reimburse Skywest and pilots will get screwed United express wide.

Only benefit for us and mainline is we can park during bad weather and deplane if you use a jetbridge. Am I the only one reading the bulletins????

 

Don't fool yourselves - United already knows when the planes move. They get all the acars data including door closed, wheel rotation both backward and forward. The out time can easily be tied to another parameter with or without this new system.

 

Sorry CC. They were making a policy that doesn't exist. Right now we don't have a policy and SAPA is trying to make it sound like the company is fine putting together a team to track you down. If we agreed to 1-2-3, we were making a policy that the company would have abused. How many times would it take them to interpret the pay to say "That's the way we have always done it" and not payed you.

I have been through crappy summers on reserve and low seniority. Our sits have been getting longer and longer. I can completely see having a long sit at an outstation. There are limited flights. There is no reason we should be having long sits in SLC, SEA, SFO, IAH, MSP and DEN. These sits are being built because it is so cheap for the company to do it. What would be cheaper for the company? To pay you an extra hour or two, or to pay Jr Man pay to cover extra flying? Anything we give the company is abused and manipulated. Every time we try to "help the company out" it gets skewed and ends up screwing us all. Read on the SAPA forums about our last Cancellation Policy we tried to do on a temp basis. Once AS and JO found out how restrictive it was, they sabotaged it so that it wouldn't be renewed.

Our QOL will never get better until there is changes in the management in CS. We can do all the CSC forms in the world, but until they realize it's easier to work together, they will keep going down the path that we have been on for the last 6 years.

 

That's the most frustrating part. Not only are we not keeping up, but we continually fall behind with changes like this. We have no voice. I'm sure we will get some memo from SAPA telling us why management needs this or why it will be the best thing for pilots. Despite the multiple voices that are trying to tell them how much it will cost the pilots.

 

Disillusioned,

I am sorry that you have had such a crappy schedule and QOL. I completely understand your frustration. My comments were based on my understanding that the concept of "notifiable" would remain unchanged. Hell, even if we get the EFBs, you think I'm gonna have the data on when I'm at work? Nope!

That said, I want to encourage you to try and see things from the companies standpoint. Right now staffing is tight and they need flying covered. If they can reflow people to do it they are going to do so. The way they see it, the flying is THEIRS to assign and they pay our paychecks. I half agree with them.

That said, am I advocating for some of the issues that are happening? Not at all and I am equally frustrated by it. The staffing shortage is TOTALLY Skywests fault and we all know that. That doesn't mean you can't be empathetic, after all, we don't know how it feels to be in management.

 

Exactly. We don't have anything that says we have to be notifiable right now. On reserve yes. Line holder no. I guarantee the company is trying to make line holders defacto reserves.

I agree staffing is tight right now. And you know what? It won't change. SW has no incentive to staff properly. The MSR will do nothing to help us drop trips and will be manipulated by CS to be no benefit to us. SW knew the Bro was going away for a long time. They could've hired to cover the training for that draw down, but they decided to do it on the cheap and just make it so FO reserve coverage was non existent over the past 9 months.

I used to be super pro-company. Passed up other jobs to come to SW because I had heard such great things. But the things I have had done to me and seen done to others is absolute garbage. The way we treat our reserves pilots is ridiculous. There is a reason airlines have reserve pilots and it's not to be the kicked dog. When CS stops thinking that they need to have every reserve pilot credit 75.5 hours each month, we can start using them for IROPS. And you are right the flying is THEIRS to assign, during the bid period.

Granted I haven't worked at other airlines and I know regional pilots shouldn't expect to be treated like professionals. But my mantra has always been, treat us like professionals and work with us. That was supposed to be the reason we don't need a union. But instead we have slowly moved backwards for the past 8 years. Wise words were once said on here that the company will never offer anything they plan on giving out. If we all remembered that, we would be way further ahead. I'll start being empathetic with management when I am either making their money for working M-Th or not being forced to work OT for straight pay. Not attacking you in anyway. I'm just saying that SW will have to deal with the mistrust culture that they have created.