NotJB22

Anyone know when to expect the pilot profit sharing checks? Last one was sometime around feb, so maybe this month or sept?

elmetal

around mid september probably

word302

Before September 15

Cruz5350

I bet you're right but I'm trying to avoid commuting as well. I think I can hold the 175 by years end or New Years time.

Apokleros

How long is the upgrade time for the ERJ btw...does anyone know?

ImPilot I Fly

It will continue to rise. Upgrade times are a crystal ball, but I wouldn't expect to see the left seat for at least 5+ years.

Apokleros

Another reason not to go ERJ then....

amcnd

2/12 hire date

ImPilot I Fly

it all depends. There is no way of knowing. If the company exercises the options on the 175s, there will be plenty to go around. But for now there is no debate at all about FO seniority. CRJ FOs will move up their base list. EMB FOs will go up, get pushed down or stagnate in their base seniority on a month to month basis. It's rare to get displaced out of your base. That only happens if a base is losing a considerable amount of flying that exceeds the regular attrition of pilots bidding over to bases or upgrading. Once you hold it you hold it. But just cause you are awarded SEA EMB FO, doesn't mean you are going to move up with any haste. Any FO that is senior to you that is awarded SEA FO after you is going on top of you.

For people in the industry this is not news. But I was absolutely shocked at how many of the pilots (CFI first time 121 guys/gals) in my new hire class had absolutely no idea about seniority.

Things always change, the one thing that irks me is the whole "upgrade is going to be 18 months" mentality. That would require a combination of accelerated attrition, even more than the current rate, and an I ncrease in contracts. Which requires 3 things. Aircraft. Not a problem right now. Bodies to fill the seats, not too bad of a problem today, but it could be in the next two years. Gotta replace the ones leaving as well as hire, and train to expand. On top of those two a company has to have a training department that can keep it all moving.

" Upgrade time" simply means, who was the most junior pilot that could hold the most junior captain bid system wide when various vacancies are announced. Yeah it was 2 years and 4 months on the last award. But that was back filling DTW. All the other bases and all the other equipment are more senior. 30 ORD crj FOs are more senior than the most junior captain. That is just one base/AC FO list. Just cause you "can" upgrade in 28 months. Doesn't necessarily mean you "want to" or "should" and the only way to know that is to fast forward in time and look back to see how long you were a reserve captain in a base that you are commuting to.

Pick an aircraft and a base that you want to live in or have no problems commuting to. Fly the line, enjoy your time at work and your time off. Upgrade when it makes the most sense to you. But don't just fumble into a situation with the idea that you're going to upgrade to the AC and or base that you want to in 28 months cause upgrade time for one pilot today,who wanted DTW CRJ captain was hired 28 months ago. Things change.

This was directed at new pilots in the application process in general, not you specifically Apokleros. Sorry for the dissertation but it's crazy that new FOs dont research this and ask questions before accepting a CJO. They just blindly rely on one dynamic number that they read on APC or whatever a recruiter tells them. Current Junior Captian at Envoy is 8 years??? Recruiters saying 3. How does that work? EVery captain going to pack up and move on next month? Who knows. Good news is, it's better at regionals than its been in a long time. Best of luck bro.

elmetal

Couldn't agree more. I'm the current most jr award, and when I got hired, the most jr captain was a 7 year FO when e got his award.

So yes, things change, and they changed for the better in my tenure, but they can just as easily swing the other way

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