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Old 10-12-2016 | 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by lineupandhold
Good info, thanks EFB.

I have Thanksgiving as well as Dec 22nd-Jan 6th off with my current employer but will hit ATP mins late this month, so I'm trying to decide when I should make the switch. I guess I could always request a Jan class date but as you all know, seniority is everything.
I'm hoping for CRJ/PHX off the bat, could do CRJ/DEN where my home is as long as the commute isn't awful. Reading the thread it sounds like MSP/DTW is inevitable for a few months
Yes, seniority is everything, but spending time with family/friends for the holidays is more important in my opinion. Not to mention seniority here is moving at a pretty good pace, a month or two wont make too much difference. CRJ in DEN and PHX are attainable if not right away, within a few months. I was assigned MSP in sims and never stepped foot there as I bid for a transfer to ORD and got it right away.
Old 10-12-2016 | 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by EFBprobs
...a month or two wont make too much difference...
Caveat emptor.

1 month was once the difference between me being a line holding captain vs being on reserve for 2 1/2 years.

Weigh carefully. The environment may look good now, but it can change in the blink of an eye.
Old 10-12-2016 | 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by WesternSkies
They are not hiring part time pilots.
The idea was to allow a certain percentage of the senority list bid down below the current full time hourly requirement losing company paid benifets like the FAs do.

It was met with anger from guys who.....want to work less. Amazing I know.
Get a clue slick. This idea would be great for the very senior guys who could drop down.

It would be great for the company because highly paid senior guys would block less and be off benefits.

Mid and junior seniority peeps would take it in the shorts covering the flying dropped by the seniors.
Old 10-12-2016 | 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Randol
I read somewhere that Skywest was considering hiring part time pilots? Does anyone know if that occurred or if any other 121 programs hire part timers?
Very hard to make this work in 121. Replace one full timer with two part timers and you now have to pay for recurrent for two instead of one. And labor groups usually take a dim view.
Old 10-12-2016 | 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by EFBprobs
Not to mention seniority here is moving at a pretty good pace, a month or two wont make too much difference.
A couple of months used to be the difference between a 13 month upgrade and an 8 year upgrade. Winter 2006 hires had quick upgrades. Most 2007 hires had to wait over 7 years to upgrade. Seven years at FO pay when you need the money is a long time.

It's good now, and it was good back then but it can change really fast.
Old 10-13-2016 | 04:42 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
This idea would be great for the very senior guys who could drop down.
This is effectively what is happening today. Some of the guys in the top 20% can and are already bidding down to whatever is permissible in every base.

The proposal floated was a little more differentiated as it was supposed to create some part-time perma reserve.

The bigger issue with that is that it creates a C-scale to our already existing regional B-scale.

In addition, it would be a change to the current model and with it comes all sorts of unpredictability. Given Inc's history of exploiting loop holes nobody is willing to make a major bet on this idea that potentially serves only a small segment but could have some undetermined downside.

Regardless, I don't see part-time anywhere in the future ....
Old 10-13-2016 | 05:24 AM
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If the ****** hits the fan in this industry, and OO needs to furlough, they will visit part-time lines before going to furloughing. Outside that, I don't see it ever happening.
Old 10-13-2016 | 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by N1234
This is effectively what is happening today. Some of the guys in the top 20% can and are already bidding down to whatever is permissible in every base.
Yes. But they're limited to 58 hours minimum or lose benefits. Take away the bennies and there's no limit on how low they can go (and how high the rest of us will have to go to cover for it).

This would be a QOL windfall for a select few seniors...and it's a zero-sum game.

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In addition, it would be a change to the current model and with it comes all sorts of unpredictability. Given Inc's history of exploiting loop holes nobody is willing to make a major bet on this idea that potentially serves only a small segment but could have some undetermined downside.
Yup.

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Regardless, I don't see part-time anywhere in the future ....
I tend to agree. Part time FA's is one thing, but if the company were to go wholesale for part-time pilots I think safety would suffer and the company knows it. There's a difference between highly trained and highly proficient professionals vs. highly trained but rusty professionals.
Old 10-13-2016 | 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by N1234
This is effectively what is happening today. Some of the guys in the top 20% can and are already bidding down to whatever is permissible in every base.
I dunno, from the guys I talk to, you have to be in the top 5-10% to ever have "Waive Minimum Default Credit" be awarded. I fly with a CA who bids 8% and he says he always bids that and bids a low TLCR, but almost never gets it.

I also fly with the #2 CA in base (top 3%) and he only sometimes gets it...

It's like the magical mysterious medieval griffin. It's only slightly more real than this legendary fantasy called 'Drop Trip into Open Time' that I've heard of.
Old 10-13-2016 | 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Turbosina
I dunno, from the guys I talk to, you have to be in the top 5-10% to ever have "Waive Minimum Default Credit" be awarded. I fly with a CA who bids 8% and he says he always bids that and bids a low TLCR, but almost never gets it.

I also fly with the #2 CA in base (top 3%) and he only sometimes gets it...

It's like the magical mysterious medieval griffin. It's only slightly more real than this legendary fantasy called 'Drop Trip into Open Time' that I've heard of.
Before I upgraded I got up to 8% seniority in base as an FO. In my reason report I had "WAIVE MINIMUM CANNOT BE AWARDED" every single month until I got below 10%. I had just one month bidding below 10% where it actually awarded it and that helped me work very little while I got ready for upgrade class.

I'm in a junior base and the junior bases are almost constantly understaffed so I'm sure that's part of the reason but 10% was the first time it ever allowed me to do it.
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