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Old 08-13-2017 | 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Nevjets
Xjt is in the place it's in, in part because of Skywest pilots. You guys work for the most successful, most profitable regional airline ever in the entire world! Yet, you can't find yourselves to use the leverage of the best pilot environment since Orville and Wilbur. And on top of that, you guys shot your wad on a measly pay raise that locks you in for five years while simultaneously giving away leverage by letting management raise FO pay without having to come back and negotiate. It sounds like there is at least one Skywest pilot that is frustrated over that and I don't blame him. Your pay rates are just multipliers to your work rules. Right now you guys are one of the most productive pilot groups and that equates to your work rules being a low multiplier of your pay rates. You can do a lot better for yourselves but that requires using your leverage effectively.
There are a lot more than one pilot irritated about the recent negotiations. Count me as one of them.
I am not happy about the pay package. I am not happy about what is happening at xjt.
I fully understand Skywest as a group passed this pay package but I have no interest in it no matter what they claim for the future.
Old 08-13-2017 | 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by RemoveB4Flight
There are a lot more than one pilot irritated about the recent negotiations. Count me as one of them.

I am not happy about the pay package. I am not happy about what is happening at xjt.

I fully understand Skywest as a group passed this pay package but I have no interest in it no matter what they claim for the future.


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I consider it an opportunity squandered


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Old 08-13-2017 | 03:40 AM
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Originally Posted by NewGuy01
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I consider it an opportunity squandered


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Old 08-13-2017 | 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by trip
Are you a SAPA rep?
God No. I'm a realist.

People who aren't happy with the regional lot should spend their time and energy on getting out, not peeing into the wind. Doesn't matter if it's SAPA or ALPA either, anyone who's been around a while will recall that the biggest ALPA success stories in regional-land were COMAIR and XJT.

Now with that said, if you don't have a college degree, being an RJ CA is not a bad gig compared to other options, just not as good of a gig as most majors (unions generally work fairly well at majors).
Old 08-13-2017 | 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Rocksteady
Yep....I'm now disgruntled as well. Tell anyone interested don't come
I'm the same as you guys.... This recent pay debacle and the negative circumstances affecting XJT has increased my awareness about the nature of SkyWest, Inc. and the regional industry as a whole. I'll be leaving for sure, upgrade or not. After two years of service here, I've had enough. Two more years aren't worth it. Spring 2018 is my planned date of exit. If I weren't involved with other projects, I would make it happen sooner.
Old 08-13-2017 | 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Duesenflieger
I'm the same as you guys.... This recent pay debacle and the negative circumstances affecting XJT has increased my awareness about the nature of SkyWest, Inc. and the regional industry as a whole. I'll be leaving for sure, upgrade or not. After two years of service here, I've had enough. Two more years aren't worth it. Spring 2018 is my planned date of exit. If I weren't involved with other projects, I would make it happen sooner.

Honest question, where are you going that's better? A fractional? Other regionals are going to treat you worse than SKW. If you're competitive for majors, well duh you should go do that asap.
Old 08-13-2017 | 08:28 AM
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Weird how the last 5 years people have a "unrealistic view" of what a pilots regionals life is like.. 10+ years ago we all knew it was a stepping stone,( long ruff 6 leg days, crapy overnights ect)...now people expect it to "mirror" life at the Majors... Maybe they never flew a crapy cargo gig. They Came from a G1000 glass aircraft.. Definitely a different day and age we live in..
Old 08-13-2017 | 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
God No. I'm a realist.

People who aren't happy with the regional lot should spend their time and energy on getting out, not peeing into the wind. Doesn't matter if it's SAPA or ALPA either, anyone who's been around a while will recall that the biggest ALPA success stories in regional-land were COMAIR and XJT.

Now with that said, if you don't have a college degree, being an RJ CA is not a bad gig compared to other options, just not as good of a gig as most majors (unions generally work fairly well at majors).

Those are the biggest ALPA success stories? Why do certain people hang their perceived success of unions only on things that support their preconceived notions of unions? Can ALPA or any union do anything about corporate decisions like bankruptcies and the shutting down of companies? Of course not! Unions has been a success at places like Comair, xjt, RAH, horizon, and mesa, as well as air Wisconsin. If it wasn't for these unions that are derided by many here pilots there would be worse off than if there was no union. If you think that mesa pilots would've been better off dealing JO without a union, or RAH and Endeavor dealing with bankruptcy without a union, or xjt dealing with Skywest management without a union, then I don't know what to tell you. Pilot unions help pilots do better in good times for your company and help mitigate the bad times at your company. Those are both successes. Pilot unions work fairly well at BOTH regional and major airlines! But keep thinking that's not the case if it helps you sleep at night.

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Honest question, where are you going that's better? A fractional? Other regionals are going to treat you worse than SKW. If you're competitive for majors, well duh you should go do that asap.

Not all regionals treat you worse. There are still a few which treat you well.
Old 08-13-2017 | 09:05 AM
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^^^ exactly. They forget that every single "good rule" we have comes from a CBA of another regional. Despite what Russ sells us, nothing is industry leading, and we weren't first to any of these things. At all.

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Old 08-13-2017 | 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Rocksteady
Yep....I'm now disgruntled as well. Tell anyone interested don't come


Well. I wouldn't say I see any reason to be disgruntled. Far from it. I'm quite happy to be at SKW. However, I do see an opportunity to make the place even better wasted.



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