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Old 08-12-2017 | 12:34 AM
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Perhaps if everyone stopped picking up open time and bailing the company out for their lack of proper staffing we may actually get somewhere. Wether it be 200% or proper staffing, I really don't care but we deserve more than the scraps we're being fed.
Old 08-12-2017 | 12:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Mowgli65
Us as pilots have NEVER had more control than we do right now, and people like you saying this place is ok is not a good thing! Your content with your measly pay check, I get it...
However some of us want more for busting our butts! Instead all I see is managements salary increasing millions at a time and our weekly "stay competitive" email. Management has this pilot group bent over so far it's not even funny! Don't think so? Look at Skywest managements pay the last 5 years, it's public record. We've been had boys!!!!!!
Us pilots have never had more control than we do right now? Really? Sure, that mindset worked out real well for this TA didn't it? We had so much "control" that we ended up with nothing substantial. Come on, man, open your eyes! This is a regional. Subcontracted flying. The "partners" and their unions call the shots and we get what they don't take first. How the hell do you think this company is going to survive if they just gave us all huge raises, 401K increases, the moon, the stars, etc? Let's say they gave us all big raises, then Delta or United pulled alot of their flying back or possibly didn't rtenew contracts a few years from now? We would end up in the same sinking boat as our poor brothers at XJT. You may think you're working yourself to death and deserve bonuses everytime you pushback on time, but if OO caved in to that, we'd all be out of work in three years or less.
Just what is it you think you deserve while working here? When all the whiners keep whining, all we hear is "This place sucks. We deserve more. Other places are better.....yackity, yack, yack", but no one gives realistic ideas on how to improve this awful, rough life at Skywest that apparently isn't bad enough to walk away from.
Old 08-12-2017 | 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Mowgli65
What does that have to do anything? Let's just say I'm more senior than you
I ask because you apparently have alot of frustration about being reserves.
Old 08-12-2017 | 02:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Mowgli65
Perhaps if everyone stopped picking up open time and bailing the company out for their lack of proper staffing we may actually get somewhere. Wether it be 200% or proper staffing, I really don't care but we deserve more than the scraps we're being fed.
Why don't you quit? It's actually really easy to go somewhere else and get a giant bonus and a prior 121 bonus. I doubt you have been here long enough for it to really matter seniority wise
Old 08-12-2017 | 05:53 AM
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Jungle book guy needs to go into the HIMS program.
Old 08-12-2017 | 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Mowgli65
Here is the cold hard truth for anyone thinking of coming here:
You will sit reserve, you won't break guarantee due to the company bending the rules to make sure of it!
When your busy busting your butt to make sure you get an time departure you get NO bonus (sorry have to be 2 years).
You will get "delayed" into your days off with nothing more than oh well it's your trip so you have to do it, and you get nothing!!!!
Your "vacation" will be canceled due to company needs if somehow your awarded vacation.
The ONLY days off you can guarantee are your sick days, and even those are being questioned now.
Do yourselves a favor and go somewhere that has real work rules instead of "that's the way we've always done it" and that actually pays what a pilot should be worth instead of padding managements bonuses!
Your statement is BS. Working into a day off pays 4:12. They aren't canceling vacation unless you don't have the hours either. PPS bonus pays out from day 1. Performance after 12 months.

I'm guessing you haven't been here long enough for the PPS yet.
Old 08-12-2017 | 09:47 AM
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Awfully whiny one here...

Originally Posted by Mowgli65
You will sit reserve, you won't break guarantee due to the company bending the rules to make sure of it!
If you choose equipment/base where you're going to sit reserve, plan on not breaking guarantee.

Originally Posted by Mowgli65
When your busy busting your butt to make sure you get an time departure you get NO bonus (sorry have to be 2 years).
It's one year for operational bonus. PPS you should get as soon as you complete a full six-month eligibility period (ie Jan-Jun or Jul-Oct).

Originally Posted by Mowgli65
You will get "delayed" into your days off with nothing more than oh well it's your trip so you have to do it, and you get nothing!!!!
If it's a legal duty period, no extra pay. But if you time out and get a hotel, then you get at least 4:12 for the next day.

Originally Posted by Mowgli65
Your "vacation" will be canceled due to company needs if somehow your awarded vacation.
They haven't cancelled vacations as long as I've been here (10+ years). If you don't have enough vacation/user credit (due to sick calls or other time off) they will reduce awarded vacations to match the credit you have available.

Originally Posted by Mowgli65
The ONLY days off you can guarantee are your sick days, and even those are being questioned now.
Golden days? If you're super junior, you're not going to get your pick of days off, schedule, vacation, etc. Nature of the industry.

Originally Posted by Mowgli65
Do yourselves a favor and go somewhere that has real work rules instead of "that's the way we've always done it" and that actually pays what a pilot should be worth instead of padding managements bonuses!
Hate to tell you, but SKW is about as good as gets in the regional world...many of us have tried other regionals first

Don't like SKW? Better bust your hump to qualify for a major airline asap, or find a new career. I might suggest a new career...major airline recruiters are VERY good at sniffing out negative attitudes like yours. Not saying SKW is all unicorns and rainbows but the attitude WILL torpedo your future plans. Just saw it happen to an old buddy this month. It's really hard to be all negative about your job and life in general, and then fake it at an interview.
Old 08-12-2017 | 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Mowgli65
Us as pilots have NEVER had more control than we do right now, and people like you saying this place is ok is not a good thing! Your content with your measly pay check, I get it...
However some of us want more for busting our butts! Instead all I see is managements salary increasing millions at a time and our weekly "stay competitive" email. Management has this pilot group bent over so far it's not even funny! Don't think so? Look at Skywest managements pay the last 5 years, it's public record. We've been had boys!!!!!!
It's a regional. If regionals start having actual leverage they will cease to exist...that's the whole point. Regionals are not airlines, they subcontractors.

Don't like it? Get a major airline job or a new career.

I sure hope you didn't come to SKW thinking you were going to stay and have legacy airline QOL and compensation???
Old 08-12-2017 | 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
It's a regional. If regionals start having actual leverage they will cease to exist...that's the whole point. Regionals are not airlines, they subcontractors.

Don't like it? Get a major airline job or a new career.

I sure hope you didn't come to SKW thinking you were going to stay and have legacy airline QOL and compensation???
Are you a SAPA rep?
Old 08-12-2017 | 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by MidnightHauler
Us pilots have never had more control than we do right now? Really? Sure, that mindset worked out real well for this TA didn't it? We had so much "control" that we ended up with nothing substantial. Come on, man, open your eyes! This is a regional. Subcontracted flying. The "partners" and their unions call the shots and we get what they don't take first. How the hell do you think this company is going to survive if they just gave us all huge raises, 401K increases, the moon, the stars, etc? Let's say they gave us all big raises, then Delta or United pulled alot of their flying back or possibly didn't rtenew contracts a few years from now? We would end up in the same sinking boat as our poor brothers at XJT. You may think you're working yourself to death and deserve bonuses everytime you pushback on time, but if OO caved in to that, we'd all be out of work in three years or less.

Just what is it you think you deserve while working here? When all the whiners keep whining, all we hear is "This place sucks. We deserve more. Other places are better.....yackity, yack, yack", but no one gives realistic ideas on how to improve this awful, rough life at Skywest that apparently isn't bad enough to walk away from.

Xjt is in the place it's in, in part because of Skywest pilots. You guys work for the most successful, most profitable regional airline ever in the entire world! Yet, you can't find yourselves to use the leverage of the best pilot environment since Orville and Wilbur. And on top of that, you guys shot your wad on a measly pay raise that locks you in for five years while simultaneously giving away leverage by letting management raise FO pay without having to come back and negotiate. It sounds like there is at least one Skywest pilot that is frustrated over that and I don't blame him. Your pay rates are just multipliers to your work rules. Right now you guys are one of the most productive pilot groups and that equates to your work rules being a low multiplier of your pay rates. You can do a lot better for yourselves but that requires using your leverage effectively.
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