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11-15-2021 | 06:58 AM
#61
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I’ve seen guys mention that their app status went from “Submission Received” to “Under Review”. For those that have seen that, how long has it usually taken to hear anything from recruiting after it went to Under Review? Mine has been in that status for over a week, just wondering if that’s a good or a bad sign…
11-15-2021 | 09:26 AM
#62
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I believe there is a BIG difference between a Q3 and a Commander Directed Downgrade. As previously mentioned, the MAC/AMC world handed out Q3s rather easily; accomplish retraining, recheck, and go about your business without making that mistake again. I recall an examiner in prebrief telling three copilots they had already passed their check rides, as long as they didn’t ‘foul’ up the three-engine go-around (sim engine out). Two of us performed to standards, one didn’t. He was busted. Retrain, recheck, off you go.
A Commander Directed Downgrade is something else entirely. That is the Commander losing faith in your ability to command the aircraft/crew, or to accomplish the mission. That is not a simple retraining issue. I believe a CDD is a more serious issue, speaking to leadership and/or maturity.
Interview wise, is it overcome-able, probably so. But I wouldn’t think it would be as easy as explaining away a check ride Q3.
Full disclosure: I was hired, having received a Q3 and having issued a Q3.
A Commander Directed Downgrade is something else entirely. That is the Commander losing faith in your ability to command the aircraft/crew, or to accomplish the mission. That is not a simple retraining issue. I believe a CDD is a more serious issue, speaking to leadership and/or maturity.
Interview wise, is it overcome-able, probably so. But I wouldn’t think it would be as easy as explaining away a check ride Q3.
Full disclosure: I was hired, having received a Q3 and having issued a Q3.
How you described a CDD would to me be more of an FEB type issue. Like questioning whether you should be flying an aircraft at all because of gross safety violations/discipline/airmanship. Maybe that process also starts with a CDD Q3, but I don’t know. I’d like to think my scenario would be viewed differently.
In any case, it was years ago for me and I’ve been through lots of upgrades/growth since then and am actually looking forward to talking about what I learned from it in an interview! I’m just hoping checking that box doesn’t put the app in the trash forever.
11-15-2021 | 10:01 AM
#63
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Reading the tea leaves of the status of you app is an art form. You may here from one person is that is what happened right before he got called and another one will be that is what happened before it just got stalled for ever. There really does not seem to be a set pattern from my experience.
11-15-2021 | 06:43 PM
#64
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From: Aircraft & Seat: old & hard
11-26-2021 | 02:15 PM
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Outsider’s question…how does vacation work at WN in terms of accrual schedule (weeks/yr for longevity) and credit for dropping trips (dropped trip value/hours per day/etc). Couldn’t find the info in a couple searches, but feel free to point me in the right direction if it’s answered elsewhere. Thanks!
11-26-2021 | 03:18 PM
#68
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Outsider’s question…how does vacation work at WN in terms of accrual schedule (weeks/yr for longevity) and credit for dropping trips (dropped trip value/hours per day/etc). Couldn’t find the info in a couple searches, but feel free to point me in the right direction if it’s answered elsewhere. Thanks!
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11-27-2021 | 06:41 PM
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