If United furloughs 3k+ you better believe the entire industry will be hurting.

You don’t live in a bubble.

This X 10000000000000

I think our economy is sitting on a huuuuuuuge bubble right now and a correction is right around the corner.

Whatever makes you feel better... I’m not telling you to vote yes or no. I am merely trying to get you to be an informed voter.

I’m also trying to tell you not to be afraid of the mediator. Her job is to procure an agreement and she is well within her scope of duties to scare you into an agreement by virtually any means necessary, including lying to you. The NMB doesn’t care about the fairness or the quality of the contract, only that it gets done as that’s the only metric they measure.

I know it’s not all about rates. It’s about work rules. Do you keep yours? PBS is a huge question mark.

Why did you single out 2012?

Let’s look at 2006. How about. 2009?

In 2004 Delta pilots agreed to a 33% pay reduction as part of a 5 year deal. Then again in 2006 agreed to another 14% pay cut. Plus I believe pensions went away. What’s the pay average out to over the last decade between the two?

When have the Spirit guys ever given anything back?

One jerk said keep discount pilot on their lanyards, perhaps concession stand pilot is better for some of the legacies, or future furloughie.

I’ll correct my statement about highest paid in the industry after their strike, and say highest paid Airbus operators after their strike.

Im actually surprised that DAL made that in the not so distant past. Amazing how quickly some forget

I didn't change my mind on him, just not worth stating the obvious and getting a time out over it...

Couldnt agree more with your statement!! Its like the DC plans and how everyone has fallin in love with the 14-16% that most have meow. Ask me what that 16% is worth when the market turns again. We forget that this economical boom for the airlines wont last forever. This is a feast or famine industry period and it will always be because its so tied to the small economical ups and downs.

This is a good post. Let’s quit the measuring contests from years past. It’s a dead end

In 30 pages, all I seem to read most about is pay and min day questions , what's about the other common stuff? Hotels , training /recurrent pay, commuting clause, positive space etc . No doubt pay is extremely important but so are the other 20 sections of a CBA .

as for the comments about United furloughing 3000 , I don't see this happening to the extent being claimed on this thread . Sure is a correction due , I would say yes , a correction is typically a 10 percent ish type of momevmt across the board. The industry has thousands of regiments happening which would probably absorb the need for airlines to slow down growth .

9/11 had none to speak of with the addition of age 65 rule coming into play . I could see a correction but man 3000 furloughs from one airline is huge . Another large scale event like 9/11 or great would have to take place.

For all of us here I hope not .

Best of luck on your guys contract

So, what you are saying is you want a pension that is controlled by the company or more government intervention instead of a one way door of the company giving you money that is yours to invest as you choose?
Just don’t understand what your saying I guess.