We got an AIP!
01-21-2018 | 11:39 AM
#711
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you need to be realistic though. You're stretching on your numbers and that's not the best way to do it because what you can make in a year is more important than what you might make in a month. IF the language is good this contract will affect everyone differently (I.e commuters vs home based, CA vs FO, line holder Vs reserve and older pilots vs younger ones. All in all though as long as everyone votes with an educated understanding of what the changes are than we can't complain. You're seemingly a fairly senior CA and I'm a mid-level FO and our votes are of equal importance and at the end of the day we have to respect the whole groups decision even if we don't like it. Than again America did vote in Trump so I really hope we don't vote in the Trump of contracts.
And if you’re a mid-level in any seat and yours doesn’t look this way you’re doing it wrong.
01-21-2018 | 11:47 AM
#713
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I am voting yes and most pilots I come in contact with say they are voting yes. Amusing how on line a few are vocal. Silent majority I guess.
I hope we get more pilots voting this time. I am always amazed with the amount of pilots that refuse to vote.
I hope we get more pilots voting this time. I am always amazed with the amount of pilots that refuse to vote.
01-21-2018 | 11:50 AM
#714
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Effective rate argument is Not always the best one either You have no idea what your “effective” rate will be in the future and dont forget, you can easily have a high “effective” rate and still have a woefully low W2.
I can easily see why in your situation you would vote no but its pretty ignorant for you to shake your head and wonder why some CAs in the 4,5,6 yr range might want to vote yes, especially those who bid RSV and never credit over 72hrs or line holders who dont get TXR and just fly their line.
Very easy to see why they would vote yes
01-21-2018 | 11:51 AM
#715
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So you’re voting yes on one-page bullet points with no idea how it’ll affect your QOL? Mmmkay...
01-21-2018 | 12:02 PM
#716
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Our QOL with be just fine. Think big things may be in the works and we got a lot in this contract.
01-21-2018 | 12:13 PM
#717
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You get a 20hr conflict every month.... come on dude who are you trying to sell? Yeah I get conflicts and they are great but how many people get a 20hr conflict every month or a conflict at all? I imagine most people Might get a few a year and you either bid what you want or you bid for conflict but you can't bid for both. Look at our seniority list, who do the masses care about? You being a senior CA who apparently gets a 20hr conflict every month or the 5th year CA who stands to make a 70k pay raise. What is it that you want exactly?
01-21-2018 | 12:36 PM
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You get a 20hr conflict every month.... come on dude who are you trying to sell? Yeah I get conflicts and they are great but how many people get a 20hr conflict every month or a conflict at all? I imagine most people Might get a few a year and you either bid what you want or you bid for conflict but you can't bid for both. Look at our seniority list, who do the masses care about? You being a senior CA who apparently gets a 20hr conflict every month or the 5th year CA who stands to make a 70k pay raise. What is it that you want exactly?
And yes, I get a 20 hour conflict every month. I’m in the top 10-12% of my base and bid conflicts first and use VFL if I need something specific. What is so hard to understand about this? Like I asked earlier, am I expected to subsidize everyone else’s raise? Like you said, we all get one vote.
Quit trying to make this sound like rainbows and unicorns when it’s looking like anything but.
01-21-2018 | 12:50 PM
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Trying to sell? I’m not trying to sell a thing. But you told me to “be realistic” so I’m being realistic. Realistically this is a 10% raise for me with a severe loss of control over my QOL (based on what I’ve seen).
And yes, I get a 20 hour conflict every month. I’m in the top 10-12% of my base and bid conflicts first and use VFL if I need something specific. What is so hard to understand about this? Like I asked earlier, am I expected to subsidize everyone else’s raise? Like you said, we all get one vote.
Quit trying to make this sound like rainbows and unicorns when it’s looking like anything but.
And yes, I get a 20 hour conflict every month. I’m in the top 10-12% of my base and bid conflicts first and use VFL if I need something specific. What is so hard to understand about this? Like I asked earlier, am I expected to subsidize everyone else’s raise? Like you said, we all get one vote.
Quit trying to make this sound like rainbows and unicorns when it’s looking like anything but.
01-21-2018 | 01:01 PM
#720
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If the future is so bright why do I need a merger fund? If I follow your lead I might as well throw my money in a wishing well! It’s all gonna be great!
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