Could be new hire IOE flights. Have to do that one bounce down south and all.

 

How do you know what's unpublished if it's unpublished? I'd love to know so I can call them on their ****.

 

I'll agree with the theory that they are hiding more open time. I'm not sure how we are ever going to prove this, but I'm inclined to say it's happening.

 

The trips I posted, have been open for days, look at crew track. (F4278 2/16, F4030 2/17 )
If they are training trips, they should indicate that. (OE, trng, etc.)
It is unacceptable to hear instances of pilots calling to pick up trips, only to be told they are unavailable.
Later those same trips are broken up, assigned to reserves, or worse, other pilots.
Yesterday, trips showed up briefly in open time for minutes, after being open and unposted for several days. Why?
A previous poster wrote about the practice of posting trips only once inside the 2 calendar day window, when only CS has the power to assign them.
This is relatively minor compared to other violations such as reserve callout priority, breaking up trips to accommodate CS, flying outside duty etc.
Talking about it here, is just good info. These issues need to be addressed.
We must stop this, before it becomes the norm.
We do not want to fall into the trap of, "that's how we've always done it"
Evidence of any violations needs to be presented to our Shed. committee.
There is a conflict of interest however, when side deals stand in the way.

CS is reading this forum, and I do not see those helos hovering yet

 

Everybody else is unmoderated on nkpilots not just DP. Are you afraid of him? What is he going to do? Bark at you? Is he going to send the union police to your house? You guys got to be kidding me.

DP is not the problem. The problem is you who have no guts to sign your name and argue your points (except the few who are in this thread who disclosed their identity like skybolt, Jason, etc). It is just soooooooooooo easy to whine under a handle. Since this was the only place nkpilots was mentioned, most users are from here. Yet there are less than one post per day over there with 130 users.

What is everyone afraid of? By the way it is a fact that management is reading this very thread too. Northwest (I think it was JC actually but I am not sure) subpoenaed one of my friend's IP on flightinfo.com years ago. He posted a flame bait and it became so successful that it spread like fire on the line and ****ed of many pilots. It was a joke. NW sent lawyers after him. They got to him and when it turned out he was not a NW pilot they let him go free. So do not think this thread is 100% safe either. If they really want they can go after you unless you took some serious precautions when you signed up.

But since we are at it. Why don't you start a new anonymous board? I actually see value in that. It sure is nice to vent a bit here and there I have done that myself right in this thread. Unfortunately that too can be subpoenaed and you bet management will read it. Just make sure you do not have multiple handles per user, and let everyone be part who wants to be part. Unlike the old board. Right?

Who stops you form doing that? It will not be shut down unless you post the freaking ALPA logo on it. Start one and if you play fair I will post a link to it on nkpilots. It only costs me about $60 a month (it can be done for probably $20 a month I just screwed it and it is way too much work to move it) and may be less than 30 minutes per day to look at it and activate new users. It took me two days of googling to figure it all out. I will even help you.

The only problem is the person who does the anonymous board needs to disclose his own identity or else I am sure nobody in his right mind will request a login. Good luck moderating that too. I am sure it will be a handful.

 

1- I agree on the DP hysteria. Other than the fact people don't like getting screamed at, I don't see the issue. In fact, it's kind of fun watching him get spooled up.

2- Maybe people think if they post under their own name, and God forbid they need the protection they have been paying for for years, find an unsympathetic MEC due to a post on your sans anonymity board.

3- I don't think anyone would post anything here we would not want management to see, much less be subpoena worthy. The point on the legal end is that ALPA - whom we each pay thousands to each year- used legal wrangling to silence our voice and stop the exchange of information between members. They feel the need to control the narrative and independent thought (unless it is MEC approved) is not only frowned upon, but will be stifled if given a legal opportunity. They used our own money to shut us up... awesome play. Step out of line and they will shut you down too.

 

Yea, that's a real mouthful but the point is that no one is participating on your board. That means you have not created a place for the free exchange of information. It serves no interest.

As far as subpoenaing goes, Im only hearing about ALPA going after pilots for displaying their logo with pride. Strange isn't it.

 

The participation is weak but it will probably pick up. Republic has a real name board and it is/was quite busy. Time will tell. If it does not pick up I will pull the plug.

There are other uses of a web board besides politics. I have busted my ass to create a proper board for us sponsored by the union. It did not get passed by the very top. So for that and for the communication practices I am very critical of this current MEC and I am hardly a popular guy over there even though I consider many of them my friends.

You can call my effort a failure and you may be right. However I at least put some real effort into something that can be used by anyone for free. If they will chose to not use it so be it. What have you done?

 

I ran a Spirit pilot Yahoo e-circle from 2001 to 2005. I allowed pilots to be anonymous, but that anonymity was covered by my reputation. IOW, I guaranteed that all participants were seniority list pilots. I finally shut it down because I got tired of the negativity, NOT between participants in the e-circle board - but from the pilots who choose to never log on. You see, some will complain no matter what you do.

As you know, I used my name on the old, now gone Spiritpilotboard, and I'll ask you this: do I receive any respect from my detractors because I used my name there or because they know who I am here? Absolutely not.

Let me put it this way, whether you want to admit it or not, pilots are reluctant to engage in truly honest dissension on a "use your real name forum", because people like the above mentioned ex FLL FO rep - ARE intimidators. We all know it.

Some like his antics because they think they agree with his agenda, some despise his antics because they don't feel that a union rep should be a bully. As long as pilots are required to ID themselves, you won't get much discussion when another member of your forum is such a person. He still represents SPA ALPA in the minds of most Spirit pilots regardless of his current status as just a line pilot. The NC Chair and he are long time friends, he is still influential and pilots don't want to take a chance in getting on the wrong side of power.

As far as the APC participants who would like all things negative to Spirit to be taken to NKPilots, it aint gonna happen……for the aforementioned reason.

 

There's also the fact that unless the company and negotiating committee come together for a deal that is industry leading, many of us will reluctantly be plunging back into the job market over the next year. If a prospective employer googles you the last thing you want anything but rainbows, unicorns, and fairy dust to return in their search. Posts from a pilot message board that may be critical of a current or past employer do not fall into the getting hired category.