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#8242
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I stepped away from this thread because it is an echo chamber for a 'permanently aggrieved' small group of DFW based pilots. That email this morning from those two guys was sad, small and pathetic. Ryan is an honorable person and I couldn't stop laughing at the conspiratorial nature of those accusations.
Small group you say... How about the majority of the DFW base that wants a say in the matter. Go back to FLL and worry about your 109...
#8243
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From Black's Law Dictionary:
The word "may" must be read in context to determine if it means an act is optional or mandatory, for it may be an imperative. The same careful analysis must be made of the word "shall." Non-lawyers tend to see the word "may" and think they have a choice or are excused from complying with some statutory provision or regulation.
When the "may" statement follows a "shall" statement the "may" becomes manditory.
In the case of Council 77 to allow the most members to attend and have a voice or UNITY the meeting shall (reading the context of the statement) be split.
The word "may" must be read in context to determine if it means an act is optional or mandatory, for it may be an imperative. The same careful analysis must be made of the word "shall." Non-lawyers tend to see the word "may" and think they have a choice or are excused from complying with some statutory provision or regulation.
When the "may" statement follows a "shall" statement the "may" becomes manditory.
In the case of Council 77 to allow the most members to attend and have a voice or UNITY the meeting shall (reading the context of the statement) be split.
#8244
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Joined: Jan 2014
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From: A320 Left
From Black's Law Dictionary:
The word "may" must be read in context to determine if it means an act is optional or mandatory, for it may be an imperative. The same careful analysis must be made of the word "shall." Non-lawyers tend to see the word "may" and think they have a choice or are excused from complying with some statutory provision or regulation.
When the "may" statement follows a "shall" statement the "may" becomes manditory.
In the case of Council 77 to allow the most members to attend and have a voice or UNITY the meeting shall (reading the context of the statement) be split.
The word "may" must be read in context to determine if it means an act is optional or mandatory, for it may be an imperative. The same careful analysis must be made of the word "shall." Non-lawyers tend to see the word "may" and think they have a choice or are excused from complying with some statutory provision or regulation.
When the "may" statement follows a "shall" statement the "may" becomes manditory.
In the case of Council 77 to allow the most members to attend and have a voice or UNITY the meeting shall (reading the context of the statement) be split.
#8245
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Joined: Feb 2008
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From: A320 CA
BINGO! Nicely said Ram! The LEC, including R.P., had ample time to schedule a DFW meeting/vote. They chose not to do so and have consciously elected to keep DFW pilots isolated from the process. They justify their decision as being "compliant with the Bylaws" and believe that DFW pilots should, if coincidently on an off day, travel to LAS if they're interested in participating. But completely ignore another provision of the Bylaws that specifically allow split meetings. What better case would a split meeting apply by allowing THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF MEMBERS TO EXERCISE THEIR RIGHT TO VOTE such as that of 77's? This is the exact reason that provision exists! Nonetheless, the LEC, which includes R.P., REFUSED despite numerous requests by many pilots! This is documented! So R.P.'s "unity" email is BS. Action is worth more than cheap words.
#8246
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From: A320 CA
Actually no. ALPA defers the decision to the LEC members. So, the right or wrong decision falls with them. That's why officials that make wrong decisions lose, get voted out, or recalled. Simple as that. The LEC has ignored DFW pilots. And DFW pilots will not forget that. See ya tomorrow in Vegas...(oh, you're not a 77 member, my bad).
#8247
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From: A320 Left
Actually no. ALPA defers the decision to the LEC members. So, the right or wrong decision falls with them. That's why officials that make wrong decisions lose, get voted out, or recalled. Simple as that. The LEC has ignored DFW pilots. And DFW pilots will not forget that. See ya tomorrow in Vegas...(oh, your not a 77 member, my bad).
#8248
And if we embraced technology, those of us that are working tomorrow could participate as well.
#8249
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From: A-320 Captain
BINGO! Nicely said Ram! The LEC, including R.P., had ample time to schedule a DFW meeting/vote. They chose not to do so and have consciously elected to keep DFW pilots isolated from the process. They justify their decision as being "compliant with the Bylaws" and believe that DFW pilots should, if coincidently on an off day, travel to LAS if they're interested in participating. But completely ignore another provision of the Bylaws that specifically allow split meetings. What better case would a split meeting apply by allowing THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF MEMBERS TO EXERCISE THEIR RIGHT TO VOTE such as that of 77's? This is the exact reason that provision exists! Nonetheless, the LEC, which includes R.P., REFUSED despite numerous requests by many pilots! This is documented! So R.P.'s "unity" email is BS. Action is worth more than cheap words.
#8250
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From: A320 CA
So why did your leader, Skybolt, waste the time to send that letter to National? Of course if the bylaws were violated they would have gotten involved. You guys are wrong, show some decency and admit it. Many of us are educated and can think critically, you guys are out of touch with your electorate and the facts.
Now, answer two questions since you are so "educated" and in sync with "the facts."
1. Why wouldn't the LEC, including candidate R.P., allow a simple-to-organize meeting to be held in DFW, as allowed by the Bylaws, when many pilots based there (the majority of 77 pilots) would like a chance to vote for whatever candidate they would like to?
2. What is so abhorrently wrong with that constitutionally sanctioned practice?
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