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Old 09-22-2014 | 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by lobaeux
couldn't have said it better myself!!

Except, i would have spelled it "prize" instead of "prise".
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Old 09-22-2014 | 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by ManFlex
I stepped away from this thread because it is an echo chamber for a 'permanently aggrieved' small group of DFW based pilots. That email this morning from those two guys was sad, small and pathetic. Ryan is an honorable person and I couldn't stop laughing at the conspiratorial nature of those accusations.

Small group you say... How about the majority of the DFW base that wants a say in the matter. Go back to FLL and worry about your 109...
Old 09-22-2014 | 10:56 AM
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From Black's Law Dictionary:

The word "may" must be read in context to determine if it means an act is optional or mandatory, for it may be an imperative. The same careful analysis must be made of the word "shall." Non-lawyers tend to see the word "may" and think they have a choice or are excused from complying with some statutory provision or regulation.

When the "may" statement follows a "shall" statement the "may" becomes manditory.

In the case of Council 77 to allow the most members to attend and have a voice or UNITY the meeting shall (reading the context of the statement) be split.
Old 09-22-2014 | 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by The real Mike O
From Black's Law Dictionary:

The word "may" must be read in context to determine if it means an act is optional or mandatory, for it may be an imperative. The same careful analysis must be made of the word "shall." Non-lawyers tend to see the word "may" and think they have a choice or are excused from complying with some statutory provision or regulation.

When the "may" statement follows a "shall" statement the "may" becomes manditory.

In the case of Council 77 to allow the most members to attend and have a voice or UNITY the meeting shall (reading the context of the statement) be split.
Thanks for the legal advice. You're entitled to your opinion, I disagree with it. And since the meeting is going ahead as planned tomorrow, I'd say ALPA legal disagrees with you as well. I forgot, it's a conspiracy! Open the books, change we can believe in, etc! Perhaps if you guys had a real platform, people would take you seriously. Most of the DFW FO's I fly with don't take you guys seriously either.
Old 09-22-2014 | 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Plane Ramrod
So the 77 reps "may" do the right thing, but have actively chosen not to, and you seam to be ok with that. Just because it's legal doesn't make it right.
BINGO! Nicely said Ram! The LEC, including R.P., had ample time to schedule a DFW meeting/vote. They chose not to do so and have consciously elected to keep DFW pilots isolated from the process. They justify their decision as being "compliant with the Bylaws" and believe that DFW pilots should, if coincidently on an off day, travel to LAS if they're interested in participating. But completely ignore another provision of the Bylaws that specifically allow split meetings. What better case would a split meeting apply by allowing THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF MEMBERS TO EXERCISE THEIR RIGHT TO VOTE such as that of 77's? This is the exact reason that provision exists! Nonetheless, the LEC, which includes R.P., REFUSED despite numerous requests by many pilots! This is documented! So R.P.'s "unity" email is BS. Action is worth more than cheap words.
Old 09-22-2014 | 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by ManFlex
Thanks for the legal advice. You're entitled to your opinion, I disagree with it. And since the meeting is going ahead as planned tomorrow, I'd say ALPA legal disagrees with you as well.
Actually no. ALPA defers the decision to the LEC members. So, the right or wrong decision falls with them. That's why officials that make wrong decisions lose, get voted out, or recalled. Simple as that. The LEC has ignored DFW pilots. And DFW pilots will not forget that. See ya tomorrow in Vegas...(oh, you're not a 77 member, my bad).
Old 09-22-2014 | 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by A320Flyer
Actually no. ALPA defers the decision to the LEC members. So, the right or wrong decision falls with them. That's why officials that make wrong decisions lose, get voted out, or recalled. Simple as that. The LEC has ignored DFW pilots. And DFW pilots will not forget that. See ya tomorrow in Vegas...(oh, your not a 77 member, my bad).
So why did your leader, Skybolt, waste the time to send that letter to National? Of course if the bylaws were violated they would have gotten involved. You guys are wrong, show some decency and admit it. Instead you choose to concoct a conspiracy to satisfy the 'facts' as you view them. Many of us are educated and can think critically, you guys are out of touch with your electorate and the facts.
Old 09-22-2014 | 11:21 AM
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And if we embraced technology, those of us that are working tomorrow could participate as well.
Old 09-22-2014 | 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by A320Flyer
BINGO! Nicely said Ram! The LEC, including R.P., had ample time to schedule a DFW meeting/vote. They chose not to do so and have consciously elected to keep DFW pilots isolated from the process. They justify their decision as being "compliant with the Bylaws" and believe that DFW pilots should, if coincidently on an off day, travel to LAS if they're interested in participating. But completely ignore another provision of the Bylaws that specifically allow split meetings. What better case would a split meeting apply by allowing THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF MEMBERS TO EXERCISE THEIR RIGHT TO VOTE such as that of 77's? This is the exact reason that provision exists! Nonetheless, the LEC, which includes R.P., REFUSED despite numerous requests by many pilots! This is documented! So R.P.'s "unity" email is BS. Action is worth more than cheap words.
Bottom Line...Everyone affected by an election should be given every opportunity to vote. Anything less is unfair and un-democratic. Those who try to lessen voter participation invite criticism and accusations of bias.
Old 09-22-2014 | 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by ManFlex
So why did your leader, Skybolt, waste the time to send that letter to National? Of course if the bylaws were violated they would have gotten involved. You guys are wrong, show some decency and admit it. Many of us are educated and can think critically, you guys are out of touch with your electorate and the facts.
I said this once and will say this again. You truly post things that make you look foolish. Especially when we all know who you are. Pretty embarrassing.
Now, answer two questions since you are so "educated" and in sync with "the facts."

1. Why wouldn't the LEC, including candidate R.P., allow a simple-to-organize meeting to be held in DFW, as allowed by the Bylaws, when many pilots based there (the majority of 77 pilots) would like a chance to vote for whatever candidate they would like to?

2. What is so abhorrently wrong with that constitutionally sanctioned practice?

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