New Hire Classes and Drops
12-18-2018, 05:11 AM
#591
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Originally Posted by Winston
OTS, all of them.
The five I helped were all quality guys (and one quality girl) with around a decade each of unblemished UEX experience. This last one in particular was stellar: two CP recs, two recs from high up in the Willis Tower, about a dozen line pilot recs that were detailed, heartfelt, and genuine. All he’s wanted to do since high school is fly for United. I would have placed my own seniority number down as collateral on his success at United. He too got the big thumbs down.
I can’t make heads or tails of it.
The five I helped were all quality guys (and one quality girl) with around a decade each of unblemished UEX experience. This last one in particular was stellar: two CP recs, two recs from high up in the Willis Tower, about a dozen line pilot recs that were detailed, heartfelt, and genuine. All he’s wanted to do since high school is fly for United. I would have placed my own seniority number down as collateral on his success at United. He too got the big thumbs down.
I can’t make heads or tails of it.
12-18-2018, 09:12 AM
#592
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Originally Posted by drywhitetoast
Sometimes it doesn't matter how great of a candidate he/she is. Hate to say it but some people just don't interview well. It's possible to be so nervous that it can have a negative effect on your performance. It's good to be a little nervous or anxious.
12-18-2018, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by atpcliff
Or, the interviewee and the interviewer just don't play well together. They go back, with a different interviewer, and they are hired the second time around.
12-18-2018, 12:15 PM
#594
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Originally Posted by John Carr
They are!!!!
Although I believe the recent 2 a month was about 40 per class, whereas this is 3X30, WHICH IS GOOD since it’s +10 on that trend.
I’m guessing the TK scheduling gods have fixed the issues and have come up with an optimum intake/output solution.
Not to give too much credit though..
Although I believe the recent 2 a month was about 40 per class, whereas this is 3X30, WHICH IS GOOD since it’s +10 on that trend.
I’m guessing the TK scheduling gods have fixed the issues and have come up with an optimum intake/output solution.
Not to give too much credit though..
12-21-2018, 03:53 AM
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From the December ALPA System Schedule Committee Report:
Future Manpower Need Vacancy Bids, Awards, Training & Lateral Activation
Vacancy bid 19-05V opened on December 4 at noon CT, and closed on December 14 at noon CT. The effective date of the bid is May 1, 2019.
This vacancy offers “new” categories under the UPA in Captain and First Officer positions on the 787 in EWR and DEN. Per UPA 8-D-1-(e) Equipment Training Freeze only, pilots with an Equipment Freeze ( not 8-D-2 Bidding Freezes) are eligible to bid for these “new” categories for 6 bid periods after the effective date of the Categories initial vacancy.
While these vacancies are targeted for training for February and March with spill over in to April, that does not mean you will not be assigned training earlier (contractual minimum notice is 14 days prior (unless waived it) 9-B-1). Laterals will usually be towards the later end of the activation process as the company seeks to minimize triggering Delayed Activation Pay (DAP) from 8-F-5 man for man triggers. It is important to understand this possibility of early training assignment exists, and is contractually allowed. Many pilots were caught off-guard in recent weeks due to earlier than anticipated training assignments.
Additionally, the company may cancel any vacation that conflicts with its training plan, including conflicts with IOE and Consolidation (11-F-4). Training assignments are normally planned leading up to each bid period, and this plan is finalized just before the corresponding PBS Bid Window opens.
As mentioned above, the 19-05V Award has filled the majority of need for summer 2019. The 19-05V vacancy is filling training slots through April, with additional known manpower needs still present in some categories which will be addressed in future vacancies. The majority of need on the 756, 737 and 320 FO categories has triggered unfilled slots for New Hire (NH) and Furloughed Returning (FR) pilots (see below). With the training pipeline full, there will not be another vacancy for at least two more months. Any further vacancy(s) will be cleanup in nature to address the need for summer 2019 with training possible in the April thru June (if needed) timeframe.
Vacancy bid 19-05V opened on December 4 at noon CT, and closed on December 14 at noon CT. The effective date of the bid is May 1, 2019.
This vacancy offers “new” categories under the UPA in Captain and First Officer positions on the 787 in EWR and DEN. Per UPA 8-D-1-(e) Equipment Training Freeze only, pilots with an Equipment Freeze ( not 8-D-2 Bidding Freezes) are eligible to bid for these “new” categories for 6 bid periods after the effective date of the Categories initial vacancy.
While these vacancies are targeted for training for February and March with spill over in to April, that does not mean you will not be assigned training earlier (contractual minimum notice is 14 days prior (unless waived it) 9-B-1). Laterals will usually be towards the later end of the activation process as the company seeks to minimize triggering Delayed Activation Pay (DAP) from 8-F-5 man for man triggers. It is important to understand this possibility of early training assignment exists, and is contractually allowed. Many pilots were caught off-guard in recent weeks due to earlier than anticipated training assignments.
Additionally, the company may cancel any vacation that conflicts with its training plan, including conflicts with IOE and Consolidation (11-F-4). Training assignments are normally planned leading up to each bid period, and this plan is finalized just before the corresponding PBS Bid Window opens.
As mentioned above, the 19-05V Award has filled the majority of need for summer 2019. The 19-05V vacancy is filling training slots through April, with additional known manpower needs still present in some categories which will be addressed in future vacancies. The majority of need on the 756, 737 and 320 FO categories has triggered unfilled slots for New Hire (NH) and Furloughed Returning (FR) pilots (see below). With the training pipeline full, there will not be another vacancy for at least two more months. Any further vacancy(s) will be cleanup in nature to address the need for summer 2019 with training possible in the April thru June (if needed) timeframe.
New Hire/ Furloughed Returning Pilots Plan
In addition to Jan 7-8, Jan 14-15, and Feb 4-5 returnee/new hire classes the company has now announced the following: Feb 11-12 & Feb 18-19. The Company will be determining by January the need for additional classes for the remainder of the first half of 2019, and this will be determined by manpower needs and/or training availability. The class sizes to date have been planned to 40 NH/FRs, however, starting in February with a transition to three classes a month, class sizes will be 30 NH/FR and further adjusted as necessary. Unfilled vacancy bids from the monthly bidding process will be the biggest determining factor driving any adjustments. Crew Resources Managing Director Carlson said he will inform the SSC as further details are known. Vacancy 19-05V generated 300 unfilled vacancies now available for Manpower Planning use, which expire 3/16/2019 per 8-F-3-d.
In total for 2018, there have been 615 New Hires and 71 Furlough returns for a total of 686.
The remaining furloughees are hitting the contractual 10-year limit and some have already fallen off the list. There are 51 furloughees approaching this limit in the coming months.
Furloughees must inform the company of their intent to return 30 days prior to any specific class date that starts before their 10-year end date.
There are now 134 remaining extended furloughed pilots on the list with various 10 year expiration dates thru November 10th 2019.
In addition to Jan 7-8, Jan 14-15, and Feb 4-5 returnee/new hire classes the company has now announced the following: Feb 11-12 & Feb 18-19. The Company will be determining by January the need for additional classes for the remainder of the first half of 2019, and this will be determined by manpower needs and/or training availability. The class sizes to date have been planned to 40 NH/FRs, however, starting in February with a transition to three classes a month, class sizes will be 30 NH/FR and further adjusted as necessary. Unfilled vacancy bids from the monthly bidding process will be the biggest determining factor driving any adjustments. Crew Resources Managing Director Carlson said he will inform the SSC as further details are known. Vacancy 19-05V generated 300 unfilled vacancies now available for Manpower Planning use, which expire 3/16/2019 per 8-F-3-d.
In total for 2018, there have been 615 New Hires and 71 Furlough returns for a total of 686.
The remaining furloughees are hitting the contractual 10-year limit and some have already fallen off the list. There are 51 furloughees approaching this limit in the coming months.
Furloughees must inform the company of their intent to return 30 days prior to any specific class date that starts before their 10-year end date.
There are now 134 remaining extended furloughed pilots on the list with various 10 year expiration dates thru November 10th 2019.
12-21-2018, 07:27 AM
#598
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Originally Posted by rightside02
Wow I was unaware of guys having furlough recall rights until NOV 2019 ...
12-21-2018, 10:26 AM
#599
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Originally Posted by Winston
They all busted the actual interview. The most recent was one of the 300 selected to go to the invite only event at TK and received an interview invite after it in the first round. All thought it was going fairly well, but all got the TBNT email the following week.
FWIW, these were all in the post Bill K era. Don’t know what the new head of pilot hiring is named.
FWIW, these were all in the post Bill K era. Don’t know what the new head of pilot hiring is named.
I interview in Oct for United and UPS... passed both. The interview process was basically the same for both. A bunch of "Tell Me A Time..." questions. My suggestions are: 1) Be honest, but also realize that you are interviewing for a job. Don't say anything that would cause a head tilt or red flag. 2) Tons of gauge out there, seek it out. Have a bank of questions/answers in your pocket already to go. 3) Use the STAR format when answering and try to end the answer on some sort of positive note or what you learned from the situation.
As for the Tech. part, just learn the profile when it's sent. And definitely look up the gouge on some of the questions asked during that portion. No true gotchas, but some things that you may have just tucked away in the back of your memory. And stress during an interview will not be the best time for recall.
This is just my two cents
12-21-2018, 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by coolbreeze72
I interview in Oct for United and UPS... passed both. The interview process was basically the same for both. A bunch of "Tell Me A Time..." questions. My suggestions are: 1) Be honest, but also realize that you are interviewing for a job. Don't say anything that would cause a head tilt or red flag. 2) Tons of gauge out there, seek it out. Have a bank of questions/answers in your pocket already to go. 3) Use the STAR format when answering and try to end the answer on some sort of positive note or what you learned from the situation.
As for the Tech. part, just learn the profile when it's sent. And definitely look up the gouge on some of the questions asked during that portion. No true gotchas, but some things that you may have just tucked away in the back of your memory. And stress during an interview will not be the best time for recall.
This is just my two cents
As for the Tech. part, just learn the profile when it's sent. And definitely look up the gouge on some of the questions asked during that portion. No true gotchas, but some things that you may have just tucked away in the back of your memory. And stress during an interview will not be the best time for recall.
This is just my two cents
Which job did you go with?
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