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#141
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Sounds like a good bit of jealousy. Someone got a better deal than you and you don’t like it. If people didn’t have the option to have their civilian employment rights protected while still performing their military duty (short term or long term) we wouldn’t have much of a volunteer military would we?
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It is disingenuous and abusive of USSERA to get hired knowing that you already have a 3yr AGR secured with a bonus of 100K at 115k/yr. Then new hires drop long term mil leave as soon as consolidation is complete. MIL guys, we are just screwing our bros behind us if we do that. Look at Delta and some of the others who are not nearly as cooperative with the part time military.
#142
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Gollum is preaching the truth and you’re butt hurt.
It is disingenuous and abusive of USSERA to get hired knowing that you already have a 3yr AGR secured with a bonus of 100K at 115k/yr. Then new hires drop long term mil leave as soon as consolidation is complete. MIL guys, we are just screwing our bros behind us if we do that. Look at Delta and some of the others who are not nearly as cooperative with the part time military.
It is disingenuous and abusive of USSERA to get hired knowing that you already have a 3yr AGR secured with a bonus of 100K at 115k/yr. Then new hires drop long term mil leave as soon as consolidation is complete. MIL guys, we are just screwing our bros behind us if we do that. Look at Delta and some of the others who are not nearly as cooperative with the part time military.
How about everyone mind their own business? I know plenty of mil dudes on long term orders, at home station because the squadron genuinely needs them to function. The ones that abuse it will get what’s coming to them... like coming back from 4-5 years leave and still being on probation.....
And maybe as a new guy **** for about two years, *****ing about how your winning lottery ticket requires you to commute to collect the money.
#143
Gollum is preaching the truth and you’re butt hurt.
It is disingenuous and abusive of USSERA to get hired knowing that you already have a 3yr AGR secured with a bonus of 100K at 115k/yr. Then new hires drop long term mil leave as soon as consolidation is complete. MIL guys, we are just screwing our bros behind us if we do that. Look at Delta and some of the others who are not nearly as cooperative with the part time military.
It is disingenuous and abusive of USSERA to get hired knowing that you already have a 3yr AGR secured with a bonus of 100K at 115k/yr. Then new hires drop long term mil leave as soon as consolidation is complete. MIL guys, we are just screwing our bros behind us if we do that. Look at Delta and some of the others who are not nearly as cooperative with the part time military.
Butt hurt? About what exactly? Are you sure you aren’t a 15 year old troll?
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#144
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If you go back and re-read my post, you will see that is exactly who I was referencing, the guys who get hired with a pre-meditation of going to training and then right away dropping mil leave.
#145
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My point is: if we could incentivize airframe pay better and modify seat lock rules to reduce training costs, then why wouldn’t we?
#146
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Who here doesn't care what a military guy does within the rules? Thanks for your service. You take whatever benefit you EARNED.
#147
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Seriously...…..what an idiotic thing to say. both in this post and in the previous post.
Military leave is fully protected by federal law, regardless of when the Commander in Chief activates you, voluntary, involuntary, etc.
if someone gets hired and then goes gets activated shortly after being hired it is what it is. The company is and should still be VERY delighted and very excited about hiring a fully trained, vetted, and qualified military pilot. it's a win win for the company, and Oscar Munoz is happy as a lark to have him or her on board, regardless of when they complete all of their UAL training requirements and hit the line.
#148
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Seriously.....You don't seem to have a good handle on this.
Any benefit (tangible, or intangible) right, benefit of employment afforded to a non military employee shall be afforded to a military employee as if he/she was still actively employed and not on military leave.
#149
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Wrong again....
USERRA requires that an employee's period of military duty be counted as service with the employer for purposes of eligibility, vesting, and the allocation of employer contributions under a 401(k) plan. ... An employee cannot be treated as having incurred a break in service because of a period of military service.
What other questions can we answer for you?
USERRA requires that an employee's period of military duty be counted as service with the employer for purposes of eligibility, vesting, and the allocation of employer contributions under a 401(k) plan. ... An employee cannot be treated as having incurred a break in service because of a period of military service.
What other questions can we answer for you?
It also remains to be fully settled as to how the sick leave will get handled, but I do believe that will be a winner too. Sick leave accrual happens for other types of leave, so military pilots should accrue sick leave too.
#150
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It is disingenuous and abusive of USSERA to get hired knowing that you already have a 3yr AGR secured with a bonus of 100K at 115k/yr. Then new hires drop long term mil leave as soon as consolidation is complete. MIL guys, we are just screwing our bros behind us if we do that. Look at Delta and some of the others who are not nearly as cooperative with the part time military.
Continental Airlines used to think the way you presented your argument. They got popped pretty hard for doing that. Had a guy get involuntarily activated while in new hire indoc. he got fired, and guess what, Continental got sued, and he was re-hired.
The CAL MEC had a history of cooperating with CAL management on this issue after PBS was shoved down the pilots throats due to reduction in force by management. The PBS formula failed to account for mil leave.....The system crashed. Not the fault of military employees.
Big picture.....When a person competes for a flying job at the majors they do so when they feel their timing, and preparation are ready. If they get hired, good for them. I'd rather see a military pilot get hired on then someone who hasn't paid any dues at all.
Mil pilots don't get out of probation regardless of orders. That probationary period still has to be completed and that's what really counts. who cares if they got a tour they need to complete. The guard and reserve is still under-staffed. They got staffing problems too. Military necessity trumps civilian employers feelings. it is what it is.
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