DL guy here.

Back when we had our dumpster fire of TA1 back in 2015, we recalled the MEC reps that voted yes to send it to the pilot group…the same MEC that gives directions to the NC.

So why the focus on just the NC and not the yes voting Reps?

Just curious.

 

Can’t recall the negotiation committee… next LEC election stop voting for these life long retread Seagulls who’d rather be politicians and fly planes for a living… need more one term reps who have recent line/reserve experience.

 

Recall the negotiating committee? Lol. Didn’t y’all newbs vote to cut your guarantee in half less than 2 years ago? Hell, the NC prolly figured 14% would be more than good…

 

This is what I like best about pilot forums👍👍

Agreement is sooooooo boring....arguing, flexing, unabashed ignorance are far more fun!

 

I say recall them all. DePete needs to go as well. He's so out of touch with the pilots. In fact get rid of ALPA national entirely. Just a worthless waste of our dues money supporting a bunch of old men drinking bourbon slapping each other on the back. Probably hasn't flown an airplane in years. Can all MEC officers and the Chairman if this piece on monkey dung fails. If it passes we deserve it.

 

So…. Yeah, that’s not how you negotiate with the Company (aka the purse strings). If you do that, they’ll just simply shut down. You have to be more diplomatic. I’m not saying that you have to be a pushover, but you cannot just walk into the room and pound your fists on the table and demand what you want. Their reply will be something to the effect of “that’s nice”.

You have to negotiate by convincing them that these changes are beneficial to them. Something that was sorely lacking from our current NC is creative options so that we as a pilot group benefit, but the Company does as well through efficiencies. Also, another concept that has been forgotten by our current NC, is that EVERYTHING in our CBA has a cost. For the Company, and for us. If the Company wants something, they’re going to have to give something up. Scope is obviously (and should be) almost priceless. The 10:00 thing should’ve been VERY expensive for the Company to get relief on, but alas they gave it away for pennies on the dollar…

 

Do you drive a Miata?

 

Dude, you are filled with laughs! Yeah, sure, we’ll “see you on the picket line” when we get released by the NMB in three or four years, if ever.

Then, whoever is president at that time will order us back to work so the company gets even more time on the old contract.

Rave on, keyboard kommando!

 

Without the ability to walk away from the deal there is no amount of convincing that will yield results. Hey company, you know what would be good for you? How about you get all our scheduled days off to roll. Does that pay for a 15% raise yet? Is that a good deal for you, company? Jfc man you have to walk sometimes.

 

A) If UAL ALPA we’re to file for mediation, and then it eventually got released from mediation, then made it through the 30-day cooling off period, and then if the president established a Presidential Emergency Board (PEB), that only delays self help by 60 days.

The president cannot extend a PEB past 60 days nor can the president establish a second consecutive PEB. He/she is limited to 60 days. That’s it. In 1990, the first President Bush asked the DOJ if he could perform either of those actions. The answer, according to one of his deputy attorney generals at the time, explained in a detailed 11-page legal opinion, is that the president does not have the unilateral authority to do either.

So, no, the idea that the president can permanently keep us from striking is a myth that arose from the 1997 APA strike when President Clinton established a PEB 24 minutes into their strike, sending them back to work. 32 days later they came to an agreement. Thus, they never went back on strike not because President Clinton had the power to stop them from going back on strike but because they settled their dispute before the 60 days were up.

B) Regarding mediation, the NMB doesn’t have the power to keep us in mediation forever. They do have the power to keep us in mediation for years, though. I don’t have to time to post all of the detailed information behind this right now, but I’ve posted all of it more than once here at APC in the last six weeks. Search my username’s posts if you’re interested in hearing exactly why what I’m stating here is true.