So what's the solution? How can we move ahead to force zoom meetings and also vote via Internet? People shouldn't be denied their vote just because they're on a trip or because they have young children at home. The proxy system is archaic and limiting. Including everyone should be a priority for our dues money. The flight pay loss savings alone should pay for teleconferencing and Internet voting technology. We need reps who understand this and will fight for it. I don't want a second round of control freaks in there. Make this a major campaign point for LEC 2.0 candidates.

 

If you can't grasp the difference between throwing popcorn from the internet's cheap seats from trying make an anonymous push to disrupt and overturn the way our union does business, then I'd have to say you're more clueless than I thought. There are some very real, very valid reasons that union business is conducted in organized meetings.

First, it provides transparency and a venue for ALL MEMBERS to attend and debate. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't lack of transparency part of the "Karen's against the TA" crowd? Yet here they are being as secretive as they can be in order to get their way. Classy.

Second, conducting union business in the union hall guarantees that union members are debating the issues and making policy. This merry band of nitwits that have popped up with nothing but anger and very little else, could very well be .... well, anyone and with any agenda. ALPA hating scabs, sure. Flight office special assignments, maybe. Corporate Comm, that's a reach. The Russians? You get the point. To me, if you want to operate in the shadows expect to have ZERO credibility, I'll through my two cents in here and that's all it's worth. But when you're trying to circumvent the agreed upon protocol of how business in the union is conducted, then I take issue. If I was trying to fracture ALPA in an attempt to have it implode and get decertified, this line of behavior is an excellent start. I'll show up at the meeting and say my peace, anything else is just noise.

Third, the union hall offers a wide latitude on protected speech. Looking through these threads there is SO much ammo for a hostile flight office and HR rep to go after and I assure you that forum is not as nearly as anonymous as you might think.

I don't disagree with the recall effort, but the way some on this board are trying to proceed is childish, amateurish, misguided, and frankly embarrassing.

 

I floored a resolution in 1998 back in the day of Prodigy and Compuserve, it failed. I tried to get it on the agenda at the BOD for years after that, maybe it's important to more than just me now? To answer your question - what do you do with small children when you're on a trip? Do that during a meeting. Proxy, learn to work system, it can be done very effectively. AND, take part in the process to make it reflect the needs of line pilots! There's no doubt the system needs to change but the change has to come from within. ALPA has the legal right as the bargaining agent to represent United pilots. Unless we're will to decertify ALPA and start over, the change has to come LEC meetings, I couldn't agree more that MEC 2.0 needs to take this up and steamroll Herndon with a spec sheet and a timeline to implement. From my experience, some of the biggest speed bumps come from National, not the MEC.

 

Perfect. Hopefully all the nitwits fail and their “childish, amateurish, misguided, and frankly embarrassing” fail and we can await 2.0

 

Lol, all thrust no rudder. I know your kind well. What’s next, will you take you ball and go home (please!).

TA 2.0 will be here before any recall effort is complete as will the BOD elections. Like it or not, the is the MEC that will be sitting November 1st.

My point is that all the knee jerk anger in the world isn’t gonna change how the calendar works or the methodical pace of a recall process. So, why not do it with some plan on how to bring all pilots along with viable candidates and a plan to move forward.

Short of some kind of plan, you’ll just be the latest bunch of all bark, no talent, crybabies that’s here to fix ALPA. That my friend isn’t leadership.

To be clear we don’t disagree on the need for an MEC overhaul, but I do think those that a little more planning and forethought is in order.

 

And yet almost all the PP in Den is LUAL senior pilots. Times are different. Can't grab the FAs butts anymore either.

 

Well this " nitwit" thinks we might want to look closely if inappropriate behavior has been going on at the MEC level. Why do I say this? Recent revelations about the conduct at meetings suggest a certain group.are trying awfully hard to shove this Tumi TA thru. Why? Unless you have some personal vested interest in something why would you behave like this? It's very suspicious to say the least. At a minimum all those involved in inappropriate behavior should resign immediately.

 

Let's get real. This crappy TA has nothing to do with PP trips. I haven't had a PP trip in over 2 years. It has to do with the fact its concessionary and lacks basic gains most pilots are seeking. In fact it lacks the gains ALPA was promising back in 2018 ( getting back at least some of the things we lost as a result of 911 and subsequent BK). This TA has ZERO of that. There's a stench in the air that suggests this TA was trying to be shoved down the pilots throat in exchange for some benefits to a select few. No logical union member would have thought this was a deal worthy of 4 yrs of work and negotiations. Something stinks and I think we need some sworn statements from our own MEC all they way up the chain to DePete.

 

Well this " nitwit" thinks we might want to look closely if inappropriate behavior has been going on at the MEC level. Why do I say this? Recent revelations about the conduct at meetings suggest a certain group.are trying awfully hard to shove this Tumi TA thru. Why? Unless you have some personal vested interest in something why would you behave like this? It's very suspicious to say the least. At a minimum all those involved in inappropriate behavior should resign immediately.

 

Insler has his fingerprints all over this TA. No way I want this guy at ALPA National. Not impressed with current cast of characters either.