Exactly. And she writes about professionalism. She needs to look in the mirror.

 

Spot on!

The problem with knee jerk recall efforts based in anger is the representation you end up with can be a WHOLE lot worse than what you have (fine example of a whole lot worse, btw).

Has anyone gone to the trouble of trying figure out the recall and replace timeline? Hint: you’re F’d. Even the most aggressive timeline won’t remove the sitting MEC before the BOD. It’ll be up to the rest of ALPA to block TI.

What I do know is the company is aware of a big bag of NO and willing to come back to the table. Maybe they send something back worthy of consideration, maybe they still get the big bag of NO. We’ll see.

Watching professional airline pilots lash out in a public forum like a bunch of Karen’s who’s Starbuck’s order isn’t quite right is sad, but won’t change the BOD electors for UAL or change the November 1st deadline for TA1.1

It’s time to wind your watch, don’t rush, find the right replacements and realize there’s actually a lot representation that occurs at the local level, away from the MEC. Be careful that the replacements actually have a clue.

 

An anonymous GoDaddy registration? Are you f-ing serious. Is this the same bunch who got P/O’d that the TA Pro side didn’t sign their names, and now trot out an anonymous website?

GFYS anonymous cowards.

Union business is conducted at union meetings, learn how they work and show up. Also as a friendly reminder, there is a wide wide swatch of protected speech in the confines of a union hall that may not exist elsewhere. Reading several posts here, my guess there are people that will find out about that.

 

Oh, aside from APC forum privacy policy and rules. But, please take a run at this hill with the 1st amendment argument. These are some discussions that belong inside the union hall.

 

You literally just posted from an anonymous account 🤔

 

Part of the problem is we insist on the "union hall" when all other business everywhere has gone to telecommuting. Why can our "union" do zoom meetings to sell the POS ta but we can't vote or have a voice in normal business unless we re-arrange our schedule, commute a day early or late, book a hotel, and possibly arrange transport? And if we're stuck in BFE for an extra day due to a broken airplane and can't attend there seems to be no remedy. And if we get stuck out while carrying proxy votes it's so much worse. I can't believe the bass ackwards way we do things considering we're a global airline with people all over the map at any given time, plus half of us are commuters. This isn't a coal mine. Why is our union run like a coal miners union?

You can bet your ass I'll be at the recall meeting. $150 for the hotel, $250 for a flight, and a day off. And if I go NQ on landings and they slap a sim on top of the meeting then I'm turning down that sim no matter what. But this is a special circumstance. It's no way to do business as usual. Part of the reason we're in this mess is because I haven't been doing business as usual. It's way to costly for the average commuter, especially in terms of time with family. The TA makes things even worse, BTW. Have fun missing your union meetings because you were reassigned.

So, no. The "union hall" aka hotel or pub isn't an acceptable place to carry out business. The roots of the grass are here - online. Management can spy on a hotel room as easy as they can screenshot a forum. Unauthorized access to a computer system is also a crime, BTW.

So let's move this stuff where it belongs. Let's get everyone participating. The "union hall" is a joke in this age.

 

All the personal bashing won't get us an acceptable TA. If we need a recall to get it done then let's get it over with. If after the polling the MEC sees the light ( not extremely hopeful) perhaps a recall would just set us further back. Only way forward short of a recall is for Hamilton and the MEC to directly engage with Kirby. Forget about the current NC their ship has sailed long ago. The best path forward that wont take longer than the second coming of christ would be to have a new NC installed that merely facilitates meetings between Kirby and the MEC. We have contract that needs several amendments and we can get on with running a great airline. This is not rocket science and those that want to complicate it need to resign or get recalled..

Pay
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Me too

Keep the faith

 

Although I don't disagree with the history of your remark, I would draw a different conclusion. I am legacy United and remember vividly the schedules posted on the ALPA board in Chicago meant to shame the persons into not picking up trips. In my opinion that attitude was very bad and the new policy is an improvement. If I want to work hard I can, but if I want to fly a normal schedule I can do that as well. (For the record I picked up 1 PPU trip in my 4 years as an A320 cap and never ever picked up PPU prior or since because I am lazy and hate working ) The two are not and should not be mutually exclusive. What is a problem is that the company thought they could throw money at problems like IRO currency and day 1 reserve report time AND punish pilots who didn't take the money. Carrots are fine. Sticks are not. Our negotiators seem to have forgotten who they represent.

The problem with our pilot group (myself included in this remark) is not greed; it's apathy towards union politics. Hopefully this awful TA made most of us wakeup to a new reality. We shall see.

 

This ^^^^. The fact that union meetings have low participation rates today says that “they” simply prefer it that way. Every meeting should be available via zoom.

 

People...
Keep in mind, they DO NOT WANT your participation.
For the record-
EWRCPO has been doing a Zoom style meeting EVERY Week since Covid started.. since May(ish) of 2020.
Back in the day, Continental ALPA would host a call in Town Hall Conference Call. A way for you to address the MEC Leadership DIRECTLY. This was before Zoom meetings were a real thing. But the point was, they believed in Communication.

I ask pilots (who are bored) to look at the C5 Meeting Report from 29 Mar 2021. You will see that there was a Resolution to have a Zoom Debate for the LEC Election.
It Failed.
It failed by one vote. 15 Yes/16 No
(Lets not look at the fact that there were only 28 votes available.. or that certain Union Leaders voted to Not Allow it)

It's tough. .but sometimes we ALL have to look in the mirror and admit we are also part of the problem, since WE allow them to get away with this S$#!

Always
Motch