View Poll Results: Recall Request Submitted
NYC 005
16
35.56%
DCA 011
4
8.89%
ORD 012
1
2.22%
DEN 033
5
11.11%
SFO 034
9
20.00%
LAX 057
2
4.44%
FTC 093
2
4.44%
IAH 171
5
11.11%
CLE 172
1
2.22%
GUM 173
0
0%
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Time to RECALL the Negotiating Committee
07-03-2022, 12:49 PM
#41
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Position: 737 CAPT
Posts: 1,888
Not that I've seen any announcement in my inbox or online that he's running, but I’ll take Insler at the helm of ALPA vs. the likes of Barton any day. Insler got the company to see the wisdom of being in position for a recovery. He thought outside the box in keeping every United pilot employed, on property and ready to go for the expectant growth. And guess what? Many of you are in your new CATs, including those higher paying CA seats, because of that LOA which couldn’t have been that bad because it passed something like 58-42 IIRC. We have those same extremely junior pilots who would have been furloughed, including friends of mine, now upgrading when they were looking at years on the street. And based on perusing the bid awards, some of those anti-LOA “no” voters found themselves nice cushy WB left seats to boot. To me that’s a pretty good argument for success, not to mention those hundreds of millions of dollars in grievance awards he won FOR THE UNITED PILOTS! But I’m sure you’ll give that all back because he wasn’t good at his job and you didn’t deserve it.
I’ll definitely take him over Barton, an unhinged, reckless, hot head who belongs no where near any leadership position in the cockpit, at an LEC/MEC or as President of ALPA. Don’t take my word for it. Trust the military’s findings in his responsibility for causing two planes to crash off the coast of New Jersey. Still don’t trust the military? How about Barton’s own words when he resigned in disgrace and said himself that he wasn’t worthy of representing pilots. But yet, he came back again (“Please, sir, can I have some more?”) and was recalled by his own pilots. Bet you didn’t nor won’t see any of these facts in his campaign fiction.
Fake Gardner Barton is retiring at the beginning of October before the BOD dates according to the seniority list. Good. It’s about time. Hope he enjoys his retirement and sticks to sailboats.
I’ll definitely take him over Barton, an unhinged, reckless, hot head who belongs no where near any leadership position in the cockpit, at an LEC/MEC or as President of ALPA. Don’t take my word for it. Trust the military’s findings in his responsibility for causing two planes to crash off the coast of New Jersey. Still don’t trust the military? How about Barton’s own words when he resigned in disgrace and said himself that he wasn’t worthy of representing pilots. But yet, he came back again (“Please, sir, can I have some more?”) and was recalled by his own pilots. Bet you didn’t nor won’t see any of these facts in his campaign fiction.
Fake Gardner Barton is retiring at the beginning of October before the BOD dates according to the seniority list. Good. It’s about time. Hope he enjoys his retirement and sticks to sailboats.
07-03-2022, 01:04 PM
#42
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2018
Posts: 1,073
Originally Posted by EWRflyr
Insler got the company to see the wisdom of being in position for a recovery. He thought outside the box in keeping every United pilot employed, on property and ready to go for the expectant growth.
the mgmt doc on negotiation objectives seems to suggest that mgmt is setting the agenda.
07-04-2022, 01:34 AM
#45
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2018
Posts: 1,073
Originally Posted by awax
Yes, that’s because the negotiating committee doesn’t take direction directly from the pilot group.
So few pilots have actually attended a union meeting that it’s not surprising that nobody understands how union policy and procedure work. To your point, the NC is completely out of touch because the MEC failed.
The current MEC had the opportunity to stop this thing cold, yet they didn’t. Line pilots should have never seen the TA.
So few pilots have actually attended a union meeting that it’s not surprising that nobody understands how union policy and procedure work. To your point, the NC is completely out of touch because the MEC failed.
The current MEC had the opportunity to stop this thing cold, yet they didn’t. Line pilots should have never seen the TA.
as mentioned numerous times, this TA makes QoL worse. At least we know now how foocked up all of this has been. I wish we would have found out earlier but better late than never. Otherwise the same characters would continue this debacle.
07-04-2022, 03:18 AM
#46
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2005
Posts: 463
Originally Posted by Waltabi
Sounds like a bit of a boy crush!! Haters gotta hate. I'm one of the thousands of pilots that disagree with you.
07-04-2022, 03:24 AM
#47
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2005
Posts: 463
Originally Posted by EWRflyr
Not that I've seen any announcement in my inbox or online that he's running, but I’ll take Insler at the helm of ALPA vs. the likes of Barton any day. Insler got the company to see the wisdom of being in position for a recovery. He thought outside the box in keeping every United pilot employed, on property and ready to go for the expectant growth. And guess what? Many of you are in your new CATs, including those higher paying CA seats, because of that LOA which couldn’t have been that bad because it passed something like 58-42 IIRC. We have those same extremely junior pilots who would have been furloughed, including friends of mine, now upgrading when they were looking at years on the street. And based on perusing the bid awards, some of those anti-LOA “no” voters found themselves nice cushy WB left seats to boot. To me that’s a pretty good argument for success, not to mention those hundreds of millions of dollars in grievance awards he won FOR THE UNITED PILOTS! But I’m sure you’ll give that all back because he wasn’t good at his job and you didn’t deserve it.
I’ll definitely take him over Barton, an unhinged, reckless, hot head who belongs no where near any leadership position in the cockpit, at an LEC/MEC or as President of ALPA. Don’t take my word for it. Trust the military’s findings in his responsibility for causing two planes to crash off the coast of New Jersey. Still don’t trust the military? How about Barton’s own words when he resigned in disgrace and said himself that he wasn’t worthy of representing pilots. But yet, he came back again (“Please, sir, can I have some more?”) and was recalled by his own pilots. Bet you didn’t nor won’t see any of these facts in his campaign fiction.
Fake Gardner Barton is retiring at the beginning of October before the BOD dates according to the seniority list. Good. It’s about time. Hope he enjoys his retirement and sticks to sailboats.
I’ll definitely take him over Barton, an unhinged, reckless, hot head who belongs no where near any leadership position in the cockpit, at an LEC/MEC or as President of ALPA. Don’t take my word for it. Trust the military’s findings in his responsibility for causing two planes to crash off the coast of New Jersey. Still don’t trust the military? How about Barton’s own words when he resigned in disgrace and said himself that he wasn’t worthy of representing pilots. But yet, he came back again (“Please, sir, can I have some more?”) and was recalled by his own pilots. Bet you didn’t nor won’t see any of these facts in his campaign fiction.
Fake Gardner Barton is retiring at the beginning of October before the BOD dates according to the seniority list. Good. It’s about time. Hope he enjoys his retirement and sticks to sailboats.
No pilot would have lost their houses or their Corvettes or Teslas. Simple as that.
07-04-2022, 04:17 AM
#48
Line Holder
Joined APC: Oct 2016
Posts: 69
Originally Posted by RomeoHotel
Not going to speculate on the details of that era but there is some irony that bankruptcy is a point in time when pilots have minimum leverage in the paradigm of negotiations …
And arguably we now have maximum leverage ..
I know there are calls to clean house but look at the con letter and note the small group of reps that tried to protect us from this TA. Then point out who on that list is going to move us forward when we vote this thing down.
And arguably we now have maximum leverage ..
I know there are calls to clean house but look at the con letter and note the small group of reps that tried to protect us from this TA. Then point out who on that list is going to move us forward when we vote this thing down.
i would suggest for the council 11 Vice Chair. I would take her in a knife fight over any of the others.
07-04-2022, 04:53 AM
#50
On Reserve
Joined APC: Jun 2022
Posts: 14
Originally Posted by Dirkkdiggler
I’ve worked with TI on ALPA committees. Us SWA guys came from other places just like you.
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