I couldn't agree more! I should have used past tense. Allegiant was once a decent place to work, with good schedules, a great ops LEADER (JC) and the ability to be home every night watching the kids grow up. It all changed when the real face of management surfaced and their team of ruthless accountants rolled in. A punitive scheduling system, deteriorating pay, no support, management reprisals, certificate action, the works.
Apologies to those airlines I insulted, there are no comparables to Allegiant.

Anyone have the gouge for Mesa? I kid, I kid.

 

Actually not many senior guys are leaving. Most of the movement is the bottom 1/4-1/3, for now.... Just look at the list. I think there are some other quals keeping guys from the big three.

 

I'm in the top 1/3 & am moving very little. Most of these folks live in base, are on the Airbus, not getting TDY'd & generally have good QOL. Especially if you're north of 50 do you really want to start over at the bottom & live in fear of an oil spike, Mideast flareup, or merger? & really, how many "old" folks are the legacies hiring anyway.

 

We should get together and compare lists, I can PM you with a healthy list of fairly senior guys that have left. Then again, compared to how many are leaving in the lower half, yours might be a valid observation. Most of the uber senior TWA recalls have gone back to AA or have confirmed they will by May, but there are still many other senior guys (6-9 years) that have recently departed for places like SWA, JB, UAL, JB, even Spirit. That last letter from IBT showed only 288 pilots still here from the nearly 400 on the list in 2012. However you look at it, pretty shocking numbers.

 

They hire a lot of 'old' folks, among other reasons, to avoid age discrimination lawsuits. SWA hires a lot of grey beards because junior guys are leaving for the legacies for quicker upgrades.

Guys in the top 10% moved up 2 numbers just last week for AA recalls alone, another 4 or 5 possibly by May.

 

Pretty much everyone I know has apps out, myself included. Just waiting for that call to come.

 

Right there with you...completely agree. Attrition, in my opinion, is only going to keep going up as more guys throw in the towel. I'm hoping that "call" is right around the corner. Good luck with your interview.

 

Tyler and all.... I'm curious. What kind of relationship did you envision we would have during contract negotiations? You say you're senior... So you were well informed during the IBT roadshows that if we went down this path it was going to get ugly....and they were right.

It befuddles me when I read the comments on here. W T F did you expect?? Go ask the Alaska guys what life was like during their prolonged negotiations and arbitrator imposed pay cuts. Go do a little research and take a pilot contract 101 class. Nothing is happening on this property that hasn't happened elsewhere.

Yes, a half dozen senior guys have left. I have plenty of people above me and I've barely moved in the last 2 years.

You can't compare Allegiant to Jetblue IQuit? Plenty of Jetbluers would disagree. We've even had a few leave JB to come here in the past year.

Life sucks here right now for most. I'm not saying otherwise.... I'm just saying that if you didn't expect this course of action when we voted in the IBT, then you're not very aware of your industry.

 

I guess when everybody was warned it would take 4-5 years to get a contract some people didn't believe it.....

 

That's exactly why I said for now...I know there are a lot more recalls whating to decide. If they leave it would be an impressive loss to the top of our pilot group. Impressive just in the shear numbers but a devastating loss of who has worked to get this pilot group where it is.