R57 relay

Not to speak for CM, but I'm pretty sure he is a west guy, so he went through one BK max, and AWA was pretty much the lowest paid then, so I doubt they were lowered too much. Those of us at the original US took a total gutting of our contract because we(collectively) were so scared of the 1113 process.

cactusmike

Thanks, Relay.

Yep, I'm a Westie. We had our pay lowered by 10% and frozen for 4 years, no step increases. That led to ALPA finally coming on property in 92 or 93. We did have a pilot on the creditors committee to monitor the CH 11 process. To its credit, the company did not gut all of our benefits and work rules. It was not as draconian as what the APA is facing. The east definitely got hammered in CH11. That is why I never understood why they have dragged this out. I do think that doing this merger will cure a lot of the ills suffered over the last 6 years for us and the last 10 for the East.

FliFast

Well, just remember, we TWA pilots in BK were just KMART pilots and we got what we deserved. When the AA/APA merger committee meets with the USAir East/West counterparts they will tell them they are Walmart and Dollar Store pilots and they should be stapled after the TWA pilots. Hey when you're an elite Saks 5th Ave pilot, no one comes before you. WHAT GOES AROUND - COMES AROUND. Glad to see it is coming around.

Oh and to ask the APA to protect what little seniority crumbs we got would like asking a fat person for a bite of their twinkie.

9th year on furlough from AA

LittleBoyBlew

Sorry to hear that Fli. I've heard rumors of possibly bringing AA/TWA furloughs back on to the US side during the 7 year fence. Considering that US has 1865 pilots retiring during the 7 year span, I would hope to see you guys back on the saddle. Keep the faith brother, that's all we've got.

7576FO

You bypassed recall. 9 years is your choice, you could have recalled 3 years ago I think.
1 more time, 900 TWA CA's came in senior to me at AA. All kept their CA seats until retired or are still in them. There are still many TWA CA's junior to me. I'm an FO at AA. Never furloughed.

Of the 2,400 TWA pilots Over 900 have/had seniority at AA from 2,000 to 8,000 and were never furloughed.

All TWA pilots were ratio'd in at 8:1 until they ran out of pilots. The rest would then be called a staple.

Good luck with your continued message of hate.

7576FO

BamaSkier

American began furloughs around January 2002 and did not begin recalls until January 2011. The very first TWA guys to be offered recall were on furlough nine years until they got the call. There was NO agreement over seniority between TWA and American. Supplement CC was the SHAAAAT sandwich that TWA pilot had forced down their throats. Why any furloughed pilot from American would want to return to such a dysfunctional and rotting from within company is the sixty million dollar question. The old golden rule states treat others as you would have others treat you. What goes around indeed comes back around to haunt you.

eaglefly

Zzzzzzzzzzz..............

B757200ER

Just to make some corrections to your post---and I know we've been over this, and I know your position on the seniority list: 900 TWA CAs were ratioed in at 8.14-to-1 above you, but 400 of the 900 took the FERB (early retirement w/full yr's pay & benefits), leaving only 500 TWA CAs above you----but since they were all forced/fenced into STL, this really had no effect on you. And second, your statement "All TWA pilots were ratio'd in at 8:1 until they ran out of pilots" is sort of mis-leading; 1100 TWA pilots (out of 2400) were ratioed, then 1300 (including me) were stapled to the bottom of the list.

And for BamaSkier, your post claiming "American began furloughs around January 2002 and did not begin recalls until January 2011" isn't completely accurate. AA began furloughs on October 1st,2001...right after 9-11 occured, and did offer recalls in '07, but to a small number of pilots; some of these pilots were furloughed AGAIN in early '09 (TWA pilots only), but recalled by 2010. Then recalls continued throughtout 2011 until AA declared Chapter 11.

cactusmike

Didn't the ratios start at the bottom of the AA list and not the top?

The TWA deal sucked but I do not know how the AA list could be reordered now unless there was a lawsuit. Provisions would have to be made for the STL base where the TWA guys get to have some seniority, how that base would fare after a merger is very unknown.

B757200ER

Yes. When I said "above you", I was referring to the poster above, who was a senior F/O, and had TWA CAs ratioed in above him. The ratio you refer to correctly, was started at AA seniority #2500, then 8.14 AA-to-1 TW to the staple point/bottom.

As far as STL, who knows? But I guarantee the TWA pilots fenced into there involuntarily aren't going to be flushed into the system with no protections, after what APA & Supp CC assured them in STL. That would be grounds for a mighty DFR suit.