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11-19-2014 | 04:31 PM
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Thanks !
Looks like that's where it's going. We'll get the word officially late tomorrow. You might want to get an extra fifth of scotch for tomorrow night. Your usual fifth alone, likely won't cut it.
.....and don't worry...we don't expect any help from you. Actually, we expect you to throw up as many obstacles as possible. 
Looks like that's where it's going. We'll get the word officially late tomorrow. You might want to get an extra fifth of scotch for tomorrow night. Your usual fifth alone, likely won't cut it.
.....and don't worry...we don't expect any help from you. Actually, we expect you to throw up as many obstacles as possible.
11-19-2014 | 04:35 PM
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Yes, they've slammed the door. Management has given APA an ultimatum of "agreeing to work within the framework" of their demands, but agree to them in concept first or they proffer arbitration Friday. I don't see any "framework", I see specific demands. They say if APA agrees to accept entering their lair, the agree that they may make adjustments to some of the items, i.e., might not inflict a fatal wound.
Does anyone trust the serpent ?
Does anyone trust the serpent ?
The real test is coming in 2016. I'm getting my popcorn and beer to watch THIS fun fest!!!
11-19-2014 | 04:38 PM
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The APA did!
It down to nut cutting time. Who will blink? We work within their framework, or ours, who cares? It's the outcome that matters.
If this pilot group decides to go to arbitration, either through a vote or BOD decision, I'm okay with that. It's what I expected.
It down to nut cutting time. Who will blink? We work within their framework, or ours, who cares? It's the outcome that matters.
If this pilot group decides to go to arbitration, either through a vote or BOD decision, I'm okay with that. It's what I expected.
11-19-2014 | 04:44 PM
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Just to add to that during tonight's townhall meeting it was said that even if It goes to arbitration, it probably would not take place until spring. They cited scheduling considerations concerning the arbitrator. In that case, It's going to be a COLD, long winter.
11-19-2014 | 04:45 PM
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I agree. Looks like we'll get to see who blinks first pretty soon. I don't think the company *wants* arbitration, otherwise we would already be headed there. That being said, Glass is doing his job well, hoping our side will simply shut up and take the money and go with their proposals.
Note they have carefully worded their ultimatum, which is that we must "work within their framework". Fine, we can do that, but it means the company must be willing to proffer some alternatives with those particular asks. Otherwise it appears we will head to arbitration, and the company essentially loses face. It was also interesting to note that we'd likely lose a lot of the other previously-agreed-to TAs, like uniform allowances and paid moves.
Note they have carefully worded their ultimatum, which is that we must "work within their framework". Fine, we can do that, but it means the company must be willing to proffer some alternatives with those particular asks. Otherwise it appears we will head to arbitration, and the company essentially loses face. It was also interesting to note that we'd likely lose a lot of the other previously-agreed-to TAs, like uniform allowances and paid moves.
11-19-2014 | 04:49 PM
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Jesus rte 66, how do you have time for this? Sitting reserve at a pad? Please stop posting so we can have a somewhat normal conversation.
Parker stated that he's completely fine with arbitration. I don't believe a word he says, add that with the fact that those videos were up in less than 24 hours.....I say we call their bluff. Enough is enough, this merger has been official for over a year and that's the "comprehensive offer" they come up with? Give me a break.
Parker stated that he's completely fine with arbitration. I don't believe a word he says, add that with the fact that those videos were up in less than 24 hours.....I say we call their bluff. Enough is enough, this merger has been official for over a year and that's the "comprehensive offer" they come up with? Give me a break.
11-19-2014 | 04:51 PM
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I agree. Looks like we'll get to see who blinks first pretty soon. I don't think the company *wants* arbitration, otherwise we would already be headed there. That being said, Glass is doing his job well, hoping our side will simply shut up and take the money and go with their proposals.
Note they have carefully worded their ultimatum, which is that we must "work within their framework". Fine, we can do that, but it means the company must be willing to proffer some alternatives with those particular asks. Otherwise it appears we will head to arbitration, and the company essentially loses face. It was also interesting to note that we'd likely lose a lot of the other previously-agreed-to TAs, like uniform allowances and paid moves.
Note they have carefully worded their ultimatum, which is that we must "work within their framework". Fine, we can do that, but it means the company must be willing to proffer some alternatives with those particular asks. Otherwise it appears we will head to arbitration, and the company essentially loses face. It was also interesting to note that we'd likely lose a lot of the other previously-agreed-to TAs, like uniform allowances and paid moves.
"Of the 7 things proposed by management that they want changed, could those be changed in arbitration if we go that route" (paraphrased)
It would certainly suck to go to arbitration and lose most of what we'd lose if we accept the deal. Management seems to really want to change those items, specifically. The 2 hour callout and overnight landing currency req'd would have very little monetary value.
11-19-2014 | 04:52 PM
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You see.....do you really think Parker could ever rehabilitate his image now ?
Again, regardless of the outcome of this or the method getting there, this carrier will never match Delta or other premium carriers. It will always be the same old AA stumbling in the footprints of the past and that IS sad.
11-19-2014 | 04:52 PM
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I'd like to just say that I was willing to work with the offer that management gave but that was absolutely only if they agreed, in writing, to every single aspect of the contract. I hate the way that this is going but what choice do we have if Parker is giving us an outline and asking us to sign it. Just like the presence of Glass, this is very a troubling window into Parker's intentions. So so we have to go to arbitration when the company wants or do we both have to agree? Nobody wants or needs the money right now more than I do, still there is no way I would ever want to give Parker what is tantamount to a blank check. What good is a pay raise if I have to work 20 days a month to get it. So now that we all know who we are working with lets please not let this board go completely down hill. Come on, we are on the same side. Second, do not do anything stupid.
11-19-2014 | 04:54 PM
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The union guys also didn't answer the first part of the question, and that was
"Of the 7 things proposed by management that they want changed, could those be changed in arbitration if we go that route" (paraphrased)
It would certainly suck to go to arbitration and lose most of what we'd lose if we accept the deal. Management seems to really want to change those items, specifically. The 2 hour callout and overnight landing currency req'd would have very little monetary value.
"Of the 7 things proposed by management that they want changed, could those be changed in arbitration if we go that route" (paraphrased)
It would certainly suck to go to arbitration and lose most of what we'd lose if we accept the deal. Management seems to really want to change those items, specifically. The 2 hour callout and overnight landing currency req'd would have very little monetary value.
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