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Old 09-15-2016, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by HPIC View Post
He must have every possible deduction, top end insurance, and high 401k contributions to lose 40% off the min guaranteed gross of $6882/mo for a year 4 747 FO.
10% into 401k is hardly a lot of deductions. It simply maximizes our pitiful 401k plan. Medical is open access plus in network for self + 2 kids. Also nothing top notch about that. I'm fairly certain as a heavy international FO I should be able to contribute to my 401k and have my family insured. Let's not underestimate how much money Uncle Sam takes plus union dues and the extra union assessment which by the way is mandatory. I laid out the facts. Anyone who claims otherwise is young and single, and completely ignoring their retirement just so their W2s can "keep up with the Jones's". Or they are flying a crap load of open time. In which case, they deserve my most "sincere" thanks for helping the company get through these tough staffing times while they amalgamate our contracts.
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Old 09-15-2016, 03:30 PM
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Just wanted to expand on my prior post about the reality of min guarantee at Atlas. A $4100 dollar min guarantee take home figure only comes into play in vacation months, which could be two or three months a year depending on longevity and how you bid your weeks, and your PC month. Any other month you couldn't get a 62 line if you tried. The average is in the 70s (which is pitifully low considering we work 17 days). However, it illustrates my point that if you use your vacation weeks as they were intended, to maximize time off, and conflict your annual PC with your pattern, you take a HUGE financial hit for 3 or 4 months out of the year. This shouldn't be the case for a 4 year wide body FO at any decent company. Therein lies the problem, with each passing day this place looks less and less like a decent company and closer to being THE undisputed unrivaled bottom of the barrel airline.
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Old 09-15-2016, 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by GlobalPizzaMan View Post
Just wanted to expand on my prior post about the reality of min guarantee at Atlas. A $4100 dollar min guarantee take home figure only comes into play in vacation months, which could be two or three months a year depending on longevity and how you bid your weeks, and your PC month. Any other month you couldn't get a 62 line if you tried. The average is in the 70s (which is pitifully low considering we work 17 days). However, it illustrates my point that if you use your vacation weeks as they were intended, to maximize time off, and conflict your annual PC with your pattern, you take a HUGE financial hit for 3 or 4 months out of the year. This shouldn't be the case for a 4 year wide body FO at any decent company. Therein lies the problem, with each passing day this place looks less and less like a decent company and closer to being THE undisputed unrivaled bottom of the barrel airline.
767 lines often credit in the low 60's, so if you are assigned the light-twin, subtract another 16% from those numbers for any given month.
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Old 09-15-2016, 10:47 PM
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I have a life and therefore break 62 hrs about 3 months out of the year. 6th year pay scale, take home $1,800 every two weeks. Fact.
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Old 09-15-2016, 10:54 PM
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If you take vacation, if you have a pc, or pt, or if you call in sick, 62hrs. Well, 3 vac weeks, 2 training events, and one or two sick calls per year nets 7 months at guarantee. If you dont want to conflicr your PC you will be obligated to work 21 days PLUS travel days that you pay tax for the airline tickets. No this place is fantastic.
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Old 09-16-2016, 03:46 AM
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Just figured I would throw it out that I took the test last night. 92% and I used 47 min. I am assuming this can be a good thing or a bad thing. The test was not as difficult as people made it out to be. what are your guys thoughts?
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Old 09-16-2016, 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by ucsspirit View Post
Just figured I would throw it out that I took the test last night. 92% and I used 47 min. I am assuming this can be a good thing or a bad thing. The test was not as difficult as people made it out to be. what are your guys thoughts?
Congrats! Good job on the test. If you don't hear anything in a weak or so, be sure to remind Atlas HR that you passed the test and look forward to an invitation to Miami to meet them.

Then, use the Atlas interview for practice so you will have a better shot at a successful interview at a good airline with real work rules and industry standard pay.

... or if you don't get a call from United or FedEx prior to an Atlas class date, you may decide to endure the Atlas training cycle to generate a type rating for your resume. If given the choice, go for the 767. Fedex seems to like that one!

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Old 09-16-2016, 12:48 PM
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Quote from APC:
"First year pay is $79.60 with 50 hour guarantee but you will fly approximately 78 hours credit"

Is this true?
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Old 09-16-2016, 12:55 PM
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Quote from APC:
"First year pay is $79.60 with 50 hour guarantee but you will fly approximately 78 hours credit"

Is this true?
It's somewhat true. If you're out for the entire 17 days you'll earn above guarantee of 50 based on the CRT. In my case I had a month where I was sent home and only operated for 7 days, that turned out to be a 50 hour month.

Some trips may show you flying a lot and then it changes and you fly little, so CRT comes into play. Other lines may fly little and credit little, and when you report it's all changed and you fly your butt off.

There is NO line guarantee. You may be awarded a line that has 80 hours, by the time you go home you may be reduced to 50, and there is no protection of your awarded line credit value.
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Old 09-16-2016, 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by 5Ypilot View Post
I have a life and therefore break 62 hrs about 3 months out of the year. 6th year pay scale, take home $1,800 every two weeks. Fact.
Totally accurate. When I got here I planned on VXing every chance I got. I made good money my first year. Now I'm a union rep and I don't VX to set an example for everyone else. This changed of the amendable date of 7 days ago. I face the very real possibility of making peanuts if Atlas decides to take my flying away from me.

Somehow, the company is trying to get us into a position where we can't demand this kind of line protection EVERY other airline has.

I encourage everyone else to support each other and make the personal choice and sacrifice to no longer VX. This isn't a forever deal, just a short period of time where we can stengthen our position, especially going into this 4th quarter drastically short.
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