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Old 12-31-2016, 05:51 AM
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if Amazon feels the pinch, it may be the leverage the Pilot group needs.
Don't count on it.

Your assumption proves that you don't fully understand the situation at Atlas. Too much Koolaid at the interview.

At this point in time you would do better to go to K4, with real home basing. At least their management have shown an ability to negotiate.

Atlas management will never negotiate, they will only circumvent.
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Old 12-31-2016, 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Diesel8
Don't count on it.

Your assumption proves that you don't fully understand the situation at Atlas. Too much Koolaid at the interview.

At this point in time you would do better to go to K4, with real home basing. At least their management have shown an ability to negotiate.

Atlas management will never negotiate, they will only circumvent.
Not defending anyone... BUT- K4 didn't even get things in their new TA- that we have had since 2011- and how long did they negotiate for ??
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Old 12-31-2016, 12:20 PM
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Something like 5 or 6 years

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Old 12-31-2016, 12:58 PM
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5th year 767 Captain pay is something like $60 an hour more at Connie than Atlas working less days. While their QOL stuff looks bad, ours is pretty much worthless, so hard to overlook the huge pay gap. Guess their management saw the need to be competitive finally in today's pilot environment.
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Old 12-31-2016, 02:22 PM
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Here's an update for anyone considering Atlas and wondering about the negative reputation Atlas has for training (especially on the 747 side). Apparently the company knows about this reputation because they made every effort to tell us how "everyone makes it through." Over and over, until you really start to wonder, why do they feel the need to keep reassuring us? It doesn't help when someone says, "yeah everyone passes, well except for that one guy last week that we had to retrain, oh and that other guy..."

First the hard numbers. This is talking about a recent class (last few months). It was a 747 class of 24.

Oral=24/24 passed

One person left after the oral because they were already sick of the company's bs, bringing it down to a class of 23 for sims.

Type=22/23 passed

One person was retrained and passed.

As to the quality of the training, it was a lot of self-study, very uneven, and disorganized. Some instructors were great, others were legitimately terrible, but most were average. Overall my regional's training was vastly superior. Based on the training alone, I would not recommend Atlas to anyone unless they knew what they were getting into. If you find a good study group and hit the books hard it is doable.

I hope that helps people who are trying to make a decision.
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Old 12-31-2016, 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueSkies
Here's an update for anyone considering Atlas and wondering about the negative reputation Atlas has for training (especially on the 747 side). Apparently the company knows about this reputation because they made every effort to tell us how "everyone makes it through." Over and over, until you really start to wonder, why do they feel the need to keep reassuring us? It doesn't help when someone says, "yeah everyone passes, well except for that one guy last week that we had to retrain, oh and that other guy..."

First the hard numbers. This is talking about a recent class (last few months). It was a 747 class of 24.

Oral=24/24 passed

One person left after the oral because they were already sick of the company's bs, bringing it down to a class of 23 for sims.

Type=22/23 passed

One person was retrained and passed.

As to the quality of the training, it was a lot of self-study, very uneven, and disorganized. Some instructors were great, others were legitimately terrible, but most were average. Overall my regional's training was vastly superior. Based on the training alone, I would not recommend Atlas to anyone unless they knew what they were getting into. If you find a good study group and hit the books hard it is doable.

I hope that helps people who are trying to make a decision.
Thank you.

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Old 12-31-2016, 04:57 PM
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The 767 side was a little better. We had 1 new hire leave before the oral. It's not as easy as they say it is,but its doable with some heavy drinking and lots of study time. The 767 side is a much more civilized type of flying with mostly domestic and some international flying mixed in.

I'm just sayin

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Old 01-01-2017, 05:36 AM
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At the Dec 2 interview session the training was addressed. I can't remember if it was in the group or in my personal session. Basically the message was that those who try to get through alone aren't successful. I believe the phrase used was; "cooperate to graduate."
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Old 01-01-2017, 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Falcondrivr
At the Dec 2 interview session the training was addressed. I can't remember if it was in the group or in my personal session. Basically the message was that those who try to get through alone aren't successful. I believe the phrase used was; "cooperate to graduate."
I am quite sure that is the standard at all airlines. I personally thought the 80 days in Miami was quite enjoyable. Could of been better could of been worse.
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Old 01-01-2017, 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by BayBum4Ever
The 767 side was a little better. We had 1 new hire leave before the oral. It's not as easy as they say it is,but its doable with some heavy drinking and lots of study time.

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It might sound like a joke to some, but hitting up the Ale House just about every day is what helped me and a lot of my classmates make it through. Perfect mixture of stress relief, with a lot of questioning / quizzing each other mixed in. We had one guy who couldn't understand the hydraulic system on the 767 until we had a few drinks and made a diagram on the table out of forks and knives.
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